The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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Campaing manager and his deputy, campaign adviser/ fixer, NSA chief, personal lawyer/ fixer.
All guilty with jail time.
Rudy is clearly going down and I doubt he'll have much time outside jail for the rest of his life (unless pardoned).
You can't yet say that Trump is a criminal, but you can say that he surrounds himself with criminals.
Just like you can't say he is a white nationalist, but you can say that white nationalists love the guy.
unfortunately, it is not just trump who constantly loses, it is the whole damn country with him at the helm.
Who's going to vote for continued losing? Well, 40% of the country apparently.
Trump supporters are going to support Trump. Nothing is going to change that. Nothing.
They can support him 100% or 110% or 120%. It actually doesn't make any difference.
olden_undercover
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Trump knows this-- always has:
"One of the most famous and insightful lines Donald Trump offered on the campaign trail in 2016 came during a stop in Iowa, shortly before that state’s caucuses.
'I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, okay?' Trump said, mimicking firing a gun with his fingers. 'It’s, like, incredible.'
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This idea that investigations of Trump are illegitimate extends beyond those centered on the president. When the Manhattan district attorney announced 16 new indictments against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort on Wednesday, a Republican consultant who spoke with the New York Times made clear how it would be framed.
'Any and every action even perceived to be a threat against him or his presidency will be framed as political retribution and an effort to undermine his 2016 victory,' he said — echoing Lara Trump’s later interview."
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...upporters-would-call-his-murder-trial-biased/)
** Edit: Just a quick note, in case those reading this didn't notice: This article is total WaPo fake news. <shrug>
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The Thriller
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Hey @colton, not only are you Never Trumper Human Scum, but now you’re Demonic Human Scum! Time to turn in that temple recommend my friend, “mainstream” Christianity believes you’re demonic for not supporting our announced Dear Leader.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/25/rick-perry-trump-gods-chosen-one/4295185002/
serious question, in modern-day history, has there ever been a democracy that has slide into such illiberal democracy where the majority is labeled “demonic” by the ruling minority for not supporting a believed “Sanctified Leader”, and civil war not ensued? What does this tell you about our democracy when mainstream leaders (like Perry) believe god anointed Trump and mainstream leaders of the predominate religion consider the opposition to be “demonic?”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/25/rick-perry-trump-gods-chosen-one/4295185002/
serious question, in modern-day history, has there ever been a democracy that has slide into such illiberal democracy where the majority is labeled “demonic” by the ruling minority for not supporting a believed “Sanctified Leader”, and civil war not ensued? What does this tell you about our democracy when mainstream leaders (like Perry) believe god anointed Trump and mainstream leaders of the predominate religion consider the opposition to be “demonic?”
The Thriller
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Agsin, serious question, how does our democracy survive when one political party has given up on telling the truth and values defeating the opposing party as its greatest priority? Kennedy is putting our national security at risk and weaponizing Russian propaganda not only against those like Fiona Hill who keep us safe, but against the opposition party. Is there another case in the last 50 years of a democracy devolving like this and civil war or revolution not ensuing?
The Thriller
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interesting. I support abortion with some limits. I do think there’s some push back from candidates who are trying to demonstrate their anger against some of the draconian anti-abortion measures passed in some states. I was unaware of the information you presented. Thanks.
I'm sure there is merit to the allegations against the six people convicted of felonies.
The Thriller
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It’s all fake news. King David also had convicted felons for friends, even though they were altruistic. King David also had to deal with demonic fake news media.
Yes. I guess I had in mind how this particular one just adds to his unluckiness if it's true. Either the unluckiest president ever, worst judge of character ever, or maybe there's some other reason...
The Thriller
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Unfortunately, the DOJ will appeal and this Will be delayed once again for months all the way up to the Supreme Court.
OK, I have to extract myself from this conversation with you. It's causing me to dislike and despise you probably in larger proportion than you deserve. I'll reply to this one but then not to any more, so you can have the last word for now if you want.
The evidence is indeed overwhelming, with multiple credible witnesses who have testified to their own personal knowledge of the extortion/bribery/whatever you want to call it. The transcript (record) of the famous phone call between Trump and Zelensky. The people who overheard other the phone call between Trump and Sondland. Sondland's own testimony, saying there was indeed a quid pro quo.
The evidences that Giuliani was directing much of this despite not being part of the government. The substantial evidences of a cover-up, including illegally moving the transcript of the Trump-Zelensky call to a codeword only server. Heck, you have apparently forgotten that Trump's own chief of staff LITERALLY admitted it!
"If the evidence were real, it could be summarized in two sentences. It doesn't take hours to list things." --> It would take me hours not because the evidence is hard to understand, but because there is SO MUCH OF IT. I made the above list in maybe 5 minutes, and I could pretty easily keep going for another 55 mins.
Regarding John Durham's investigation, which you seem to place so much stock in, a) it's not at all clear what he's investigating, and b) whatever it is, it's very likely politically motivated and not part of an actual effort by the DOJ to root out corruption anywhere.
"I thought your questions were being flippant, but I'll answer them here --- Yes, attempted murder, arson, robbery, bribery, or extortion are serious crimes." --> Good, hold on to that. Trump and company are in the process of moving the goal posts. They will soon say/have already started saying, "OK, this is extortion and bribery, but it doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense." So be prepared for the goal post to move but don't move your statement that bribery and extortion are serious crimes. The evidence is indeed overwhelming, and if you open your eyes you can see it. So maybe you will come around at some point.
"To make this case, you pretty much need Zellenskyy or someone he appointed to say, "Trump threatened to withhold foreign aid unless we fabricate evidence against Joe Biden." Or you'd need a voice recording that establishes the same... So far, Zellenskyy is denying that this is what happened, which stands as evidence against the claim. So you also need to show that the person who is being bribed or extorted is aware that he is being bribed or extorted." --> No, that's not true. There's substantial credible evidence that Ukraine was aware of the extortion. Again, if I had an hour I could list it out. And where there's substantial evidence of extortion, you don't need testimony from the person being extorted--particularly when that individual is appropriately afraid of the repercussions such testimony would bring.
"You need real evidence of the threat (withhold the aid) and the cure ("make up dirt") to create the case." --> Yes, and the direct testimony of several eye- and ear-witnesses is real evidence.
Nope!
Wow. Feel free to email him a nice selection of my posts from this thread.My neighbor in Florida asked me if I was a Trumper. I said I couldn't support a guy with 25 sexual misconduct allegations against him. It was a 3 minute conversation. He can't get over it and keeps texting me.
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More fake news:
“Look, the case has been made. Almost everything in the impeachment hearings this week fleshed out and backed up the charge that President Trump muscled Ukraine for political gain. The pending question is what precisely the House and its Democratic majority will decide to include in the articles of impeachment, what statutes or standards they will assert the president violated.”
Oh, nvm. It’s Peggy Noonan, conservative and highly respected author, Reagan advisor and speechwriter.
how have the never trumpers converted her? She seems so sensible, logical, intelligent and unbiased. It is almost like there is some compelling underlying truth that moves her to this conclusion.
“Look, the case has been made. Almost everything in the impeachment hearings this week fleshed out and backed up the charge that President Trump muscled Ukraine for political gain. The pending question is what precisely the House and its Democratic majority will decide to include in the articles of impeachment, what statutes or standards they will assert the president violated.”
Oh, nvm. It’s Peggy Noonan, conservative and highly respected author, Reagan advisor and speechwriter.
how have the never trumpers converted her? She seems so sensible, logical, intelligent and unbiased. It is almost like there is some compelling underlying truth that moves her to this conclusion.
Sweet! And actually, Demonic Human Scum would be a pretty good name for a death metal band.
Still a victory for the rule of law, though. And I think the Supreme Court can and does fast track things from time to time, so who knows what will happen. Even though it's a 5-4 split right now, I have a hard time believing all of the Republican-appointed justices are happy with what Trump is doing to this country.