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Harambe said:
no evidence that the FBI spied on Trump's campaign

There it is.

Google it
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False. Extremely False.

You aren't a lawyer, you haven't worked in law, apparently.

The MSM liars used some very careful words, and then deliberately converted to an actual falsehood.

The true statement was that the FBI did not actually implant agents within the Trump campaign. What they did do was criminal misconduct in their official actions. They lied to the FISA court, to get the warrant to listen in on email and phone to Carter Paige..... and then by the one hop rule, to anyone they ever contacted. That one hop meant they were listening in to everyone on Trumps team.

The next criminal thing they did was illegally confide that information to persons who could use it in the DNC campaign.

Look, Harambe. I know of quite a few criminal actions by federal employees in their official actions. It's an extensive problem we have got to prosecute. It affects people in the BLM, even. Damn straight.
 
fishonjazz said:
Conservative organization Republicans for the Rule of Law has called out President Donald Trump with yet another critical ad.

In its new 32-second clip released online Wednesday, the group questions the White House’s refusal to allow key witnesses in the Ukraine scandal to testify before Congress in the impeachment inquiry that targets Trump.

“These witnesses must testify,” the voiceover says of Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former National Security Adviser John Bolton.

“What is Trump afraid of?” the narrator adds.

The ad is slated to air on Fox News’ flagship morning show “Fox & Friends” for several days.

Republicans for the Rule of Law executive director Sarah Longwell said in a statement that the House impeachment hearings “have presented startling evidence” that Trump “abused his power, strong-arming a foreign government to interfere on his behalf in the upcoming election, and damaging national security in the process.”

“The president denies the allegations, but won’t let key administration officials ― including Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, and White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney ― testify to Congress,” Longwell added. “If the president did nothing wrong, what does he have to hide? If they tell the truth, what is he afraid of? Most importantly, will Republicans in Congress allow the president to simply ignore their constitutionally mandated oversight role?”

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-for-the-rule-of-law-trump-hiding-ad-074743515.html
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The Republican party does not have a Pelosi cracking the whip over marginal or dissident loyalists. Many Rs are involved in and willing to go along with a lot of the more progressive agenda.... and generally with the deeply convinced believers in stuff Trump just says no way to. So I don't give them credit for being objective or truthful. Let alone loyal.
 
fishonjazz said:
On Wednesday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson actually agreed with many media outlets and admitted that President Trump has been less than truthful with the American people. According to the Washington Post, as of last month, Trump had told over 13,000 false or misleading statements since taking office, including claims by the president and those in his administration that his was the largest inaugural crowd in U.S. history. After nearly three years, Carlson refuted that claim.

“We’re not gonna lie to you, that was untrue,” Carlson said. “The crowd at the 2017 inauguration was not the largest ever measured at the National Mall. Sorry, it wasn’t. Why did the president claim that it was? Well, because that’s who he is.” Carlson went on to say, “Donald Trump is a salesman, he’s a talker, a boaster, a booster, a compulsive self-promoter. At times he’s a full-blown BS artist.”

And though it may seem Carlson was trashing the president, he was actually making the case that it’s okay for Trump to be untruthful because “that’s who he is."
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as his true believers swallow hook line and sinker, his propagandist tells it like it is.
 
babe said:
they were listening in to everyone on Trumps team.

The next criminal thing they did was illegally confide that information to persons who could use it in the DNC campaign.

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evidence or is this just more lies?
 
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Zombie said:
Ok, and?
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Lincoln was asked to run by some NY bankers with Brit ties agore. Brit capitalist were funding abolitionists and secessionists. They figured to split the country and take Louisiana and the Mississppi river country, and stir up local quarrels between the States so they could cement the West. Czarist Russia sent a fleet to the Pacific to counter Brit navy attempts to corner that area, and Czarist Russia helped the abolitionist Lincoln in other ways, because of Brit intents to give aid to the South. The Amazing blockade the North established along the intercoastal waterways, and Norther industrial plants making all kinds of war materiel were crucial.

So, yes, the Republicans were quite the same then as now, except then had Russian and French help rather than British.

Lincoln lost favor with his banker support by actually fighting for the Union, and if we had lost, North America would be as Commonwealth as Australia. Slavery would have ended anyway. Even the Brits had gotten ashamed of that, what with all the Christian opposition and "No sugar in my tea" social crusades. The ultimate reason slavery would have ended is the industrial revolution. But it is a sort of ongoing issue, with the choice still open between increased technology with higher wages, or back-breaking unskilled labor and low wages.
 
babe said:
So I looked for stuff about Fiona Hill, and what Google puts up top is a lot of articles about her defense of Soros, calling right-wing attacks on Soros a modern version of the Protocols...
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I went down the rabbit hole today trying to figure out what Trump's deal with Ukrain is. Turns out, drumroll... he's bat **** crazy. I couldn't find anything so I turned to Glenn Beck's "Hydra". Surely there's a good story there, right?

Na, couldn't figure out what the hell he was trying to say. Does that guy ever make a point in his Large and Spacious Building bull ****?

So he goes on about Hillary Clinton's senior advisor Alec Ross, and throws out some scary words. So I googled them:


"Dictatorships are now more vulnerable than they have ever been before, in part – but not entirely – because of the devolution of power from the nation state to the individual," he said.

"One thesis statement I want to emphasise is how networks disrupt the exercise of power. They devolve power from the nation state – from governments and large institutions – to individuals and small institutions. The overarching pattern is the redistribution of power from governments and large institutions to people and small institutions."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2011/jun/22/hillary-clinton-adviser-alec-ross

OMG! That's not what we want Babe? Hillary bad, Hillary scary. "Leaderless revolutions, virtual organizations"! Apparently, Civil Society 2.0 has been training the most patient group of every day soldiers you've ever seen, waiting around, sipping their coffee for years for boogie man George Soros to come along and spark the riot, sound the call to arms!

"Ukranian and allied leaders should agree on the following principles:1.
In the absence of adequate support from its allies, the new Ukraine is no
match for Putin’s Russia.
2.
It is in the collective self-interest
of Ukraine’s allies
to enable the new Ukrainenot only to survive but to prosper; and as long as they can agree on a way ofproviding adequate support without getting involved in a direct militaryconflict, they should be able to prevail against
Putin’s
Russia.3.
While it would be more desirable to have Russia as a partner than an enemy,that is impossible as long as Putin persists in his current policies.4.
It will be much more costly, particularly for Europe, to defend itself againstthe threat that a victorious Putin regime will pose when the new Ukrainecollapses, than to provide adequate support to the new Ukraine"

Holy hell! And did you know Obama and them were in on it too? Instead of supporting the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine they supported the Ukranians. Can you believe that?! That's what Trump was after guys, that's what Trump was asking to be investigated. This is the Deep State Trump has shook to the core. That's why they won't testify, because if they did then you'd all know the truth: that Obama and deep state fought Russian takeover of Ukraine. Itll all be out in the open.


Seriously, what the hell is with Trump's contempt for Ukraine? Makes no sense and lends truth to the media's bellyaching about him coddling/preferring dictators.
 
babe said:
False. Extremely False.

You aren't a lawyer, you haven't worked in law, apparently.

The MSM liars used some very careful words, and then deliberately converted to an actual falsehood.

The true statement was that the FBI did not actually implant agents within the Trump campaign. What they did do was criminal misconduct in their official actions. They lied to the FISA court, to get the warrant to listen in on email and phone to Carter Paige..... and then by the one hop rule, to anyone they ever contacted. That one hop meant they were listening in to everyone on Trumps team.

The next criminal thing they did was illegally confide that information to persons who could use it in the DNC campaign.

Look, Harambe. I know of quite a few criminal actions by federal employees in their official actions. It's an extensive problem we have got to prosecute. It affects people in the BLM, even. Damn straight.
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Did you need me to post a let me Google that for you link?
 
silesian said:
I’m just glad the Republican Party is the same in 2019 as they were 160 years ago.
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you can tell that it’s the same party that supported African American causes in 1860 as today by how they’ve supported Black Lives Matter, confederate flag/statue removals, and Kaepernick. Just look at the makeup of Congress. Look at all the diversity in republicans vs the homogeneous Dumbokkkrats for the freshmen class after the 2018 midterms:

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Plus, David Duke, Richard Spencer, and other white supremacist groups would never support a republican:



Definitely the same party of 1860... The party of African American causes!

Just to confirm, let’s ask what republicans Steve King and Laura Ingraham have to say about white supremacy. If the civil war were fought today, is there any question which side these two would’ve been on?


 
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