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Conley to start soon.

fishonjazz said:
I bet you were hoping the jazz would lose last night.

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He was. He went on a rampage in the Game thread the other night. While most of us were becoming frustrated as denver went on a 10-0 run... 17-1 run... 24-1 run. He went off on how we should stop criticizing Conley. The actual losing was cheered in an effort to exonerate criticism of Conley. It was like the actual team and game didn’t matter. It became so obnoxious that I put him on ignore.

It’s pretty sad when posters on here revel in our losses so they can “prove” their point that the criticism of exum, Conley, or whoever they have a fetish with, is unfair.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Why are people that have simply paid attention to what is occurring so offensive to you? The only thing the doubters have done is pay attention.
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Shhhhh...he thinks he's alone behind his blinders
 
Wes Mantooth said:
If it exists, I’d love to see advanced analytics on how many seconds per 24 Conley had the ball in his hands in Memphis as well as how many passes Memphis had per 24. I’d guess his number was near the league high (given the lack of wing talent there) and the team’s number was on the lower end.

I just have little faith that he knows how to play within such a balanced team construct but I guess **** it, better now than never to break him in. At least we have a lot of home games coming up...10 of the next 13 iirc.
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I totally agree with you! Also, I think that Conley developed his skills in a direction that is not particularly helpful to this particular Jazz team. By having the ball on his hands so much and having freedom to do whatever he fancied in Memphis, Conley never focused on having one or two moves/plays that totally mastered. He actually went in the opposite direction: he can hit floaters with either hand, finish while jumping with either leg, he can shoot the 3 and the 2 but is no especialist from any particular spot, etc... He can do all these moves/plays, but is not particularly good a at any of them. As a result, as his athleticism decreases, he is, let's say, trapped in a sort of limbo, where a specific role cannot really be assigned to him. He can still play, off course, but any coach would have difficult playing him, especially on a good team.
 
We’ve traded 4 first round draft picks on pg’s the last three years. Almost like the Detroit Lions drafting wr’s year after year and failing. I support Conley because he wears the colors and think he needs time to gel, but my god we gave up a **** ton for a guy that could fall off a cliff due to age, and these injuries could potentially keep him from regaining his form in Utah while burning a hole in the jazz wallet and assets. I hate that we gave up two picks for a guy we’d only have for two years or less. The only way we save face on this trade is if he helps us win a title, otherwise the jazz were raked over the coals. Why the hell did we give two firsts for a guy Memphis didn’t need or want?

this is exactly why I didn’t want the jazz to deal with Memphis for Conley
 
Catchall said:
Deron Williams magically sucked when he left the Jazz.
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To be fair to Dwill, his first full season with New Jersey was injury plagued just like Conleys has been. He still averaged 21 and 9 on 41%/34% with a 20.3 PER, 2.1 VORP.

Conley has been a middling role player at best so far, averaging 12 and 4 on 37%/33% with an 11.8 PER, 0.0 VORP.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
We’ve traded 4 first round draft picks on pg’s the last three years. Almost like the Detroit Lions drafting wr’s year after year and failing. I support Conley because he wears the colors and think he needs time to gel, but my god we gave up a **** ton for a guy that could fall off a cliff due to age, and these injuries could potentially keep him from regaining his form in Utah while burning a hole in the jazz wallet and assets. I hate that we gave up two picks for a guy we’d only have for two years or less. The only way we save face on this trade is if he helps us win a title, otherwise the jazz were raked over the coals. Why the hell did we give two firsts for a guy Memphis didn’t need or want?

this is exactly why I didn’t want the jazz to deal with Memphis for Conley
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At least the Lions hit a grand slam with Calvin Johnson and single with Roy Williams.
 
I seem to remember many posters this past summer voicing concerns over Conley’s size, age, and durability. He’s no spring chicken. Perhaps... I know this might come as a yewge disappointment to some of you... But perhaps he’s lost a step or two?

And those who claim that players don’t “magically start sucking in one year” obviously haven’t been paying attention to sports. Father Time hits and when he hits hard.

Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, Tracy Mcgrady, Steve Nash, and Allen Iverson are all players that I remember as being dominate and then suddenly sucking. Some of its due to injury. But Dirk and Duncan especially come to mind as players who looked like they still had some gas left in the tank and then suddenly falling off.

And that’s just talking about basketball. We could go into football. Ever heard of the Manning brothers? One in particular, was a Hall or Famer. However, in his final year with Denver, he could barely throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield. It was a sad spectacle to watch for a guy who just a season prior was throwing for thousands of yards. His team won the super bowl despite his unbelievably poor play.
 
Im not advocating for it but I wonder if we signed Favors to the full MLE, if that would cure a lot of our woes. Backup 5. Even at the 4 some as with Bogey now, we could throw a Mitchell-Ingles-Bogey-Favors-Gobert lineup out there which is light years better than when Rubio was at the 1.
 
With cap holds and all for other players, if Conley opts out (dream with me), how much cap space will we even have? Royce’s extension and Clarkson’s cap hold have to have put a hell of a dent in that.
 
The Thriller said:
I seem to remember many posters this past summer voicing concerns over Conley’s size, age, and durability. He’s no spring chicken. Perhaps... I know this might come as a yewge disappointment to some of you... But perhaps he’s lost a step or two?

And those who claim that players don’t “magically start sucking in one year” obviously haven’t been paying attention to sports. Father Time hits and when he hits hard.

Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, Tracy Mcgrady, Steve Nash, and Allen Iverson are all players that I remember as being dominate and then suddenly sucking. Some of its due to injury. But Dirk and Duncan especially come to mind as players who looked like they still had some gas left in the tank and then suddenly falling off.

And that’s just talking about basketball. We could go into football. Ever heard of the Manning brothers? One in particular, was a Hall or Famer. However, in his final year with Denver, he could barely throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield. It was a sad spectacle to watch for a guy who just a season prior was throwing for thousands of yards. His team won the super bowl despite his unbelievably poor play.
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Most of those were franchise players/generational talents. Way more skilled than what Conley ever was. I have a different view of Duncan/Dirk decline. In my view they were still dominant until their early/mid 30s and were able to play at a decent level until they were 40. Kobe got ruined by the Achilles. Iverson could have played a bit longer but his ego got in the way.

Nash? Yeah. He fell off a cliff with his back injuries.

Conley just turned 32 and still looks pretty quick to me. He gets to his spots. But yeah, a serious injury at this stage could derail his career pretty quickly.
 
latin jazz said:
Most of those were franchise players/generational talents. Way more skilled than what Conley ever was. I have a different view of Duncan/Dirk decline. In my view they were still dominant until their early/mid 30s and were able to play at a decent level until they were 40. Kobe got ruined by the Achilles. Iverson could have played a bit longer but his ego got in the way.

Nash? Yeah. He fell off a cliff with his back injuries.

Conley just turned 32 and still looks pretty quick to me. He gets to his spots. But yeah, a serious injury at this stage could derail his career pretty quickly.
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really? Conley looks quick to you? He looks pretty slow to me. Reminds me a lot of Trey Burke. He’s not quick enough to get around the guards of the NBA without a pick and is too short/unathletic to score inside. The only way he does score is with his outside shot, which is hovering in the mid 30s this year.

I can’t be the only one to notice the similarities between Conley and Burke, right?
 
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