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And something I'm not sure any statistics exist for (I doubt it), but is important to how I view the issue - I doubt much of that ~2% SNAP fraud is folks out here outright stealing tax dollars, it's the dude that's just short of qualifying for food stamps fudging a few numbers to try to get his family ahead. Which I have a hard time being overly upset about.
 
LoPo said:
Once again, you are using the very tiny sample of the person who bought a new car but lost their job should get food stamps example. But sure, I guess they need food stamps. Just because Shaq banked in a 3 one time doesn't make him a 3 point threat. Tons of people abuse the food stamp system. I'm glad it's harder to get them.

I never said Trump wasn't an anus. He is the most unprofessional president we have ever had. I don't equate unprofessionalism with hating certain groups of people. The media is twisting that narrative.

Also, I don't rate my president by his professionalism. I rate it by the economy and my family's safety. As long as he isn't outright attacking people in our country or starting wars outside it, which he isn't on either, I'm okay with the job he's doing. I wish he had more polish and would stay off Twitter, but once again, I care more about his job.
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He’s certainly put a lot of American lives at risk by ordering Soleimani’s execution
 
LoPo said:
Fish. You're better than this or I overestimated your respect for me. To call me a liar. Damn.

I've lived about 75% of my life in Alabama. I've also spent time in NC, WY and now Tennessee. On more occasions than I can count on one hand, I've seen people using the system. There used to be the old vouchers then they went to a card. It's not hard to identify. I've seen people with the two different groups of stuff in the line. You know, separated by the little plastic thing at the grocery store. They would have piles of steak, high end meat, etc. in one purchase paid with the issued card and then their beer and other personal items in the other stack of stuff. All the while, their kids are wearing new sneakers playing on a their own cell phone that was bigger than mine. I haven't seen as much in recent years, but the massive emergence of self check out is probably the reason.

I didn't stalk these people, but I am observant. Since I'm behind these people in line, of course I'm leaving not long after them. That's why I'm able to see what they drive. Near my home of 9 years in Alabama, I went to a local, smaller, Mom & Pop type grocery store. The parking lot wasn't as big so there weren't many cars to start with.

Sure, like Gameface was saying. And I am adamant in defending - if you need a program, use the program. We need temporary programs for people who are in a bad way. HOWEVER, so many of our programs enable complacency. People abuse systems that aren't better protecting against abuse. For an easy example - how many times do you park in a parking lot and see some perfectly abled person park in a handicapped spot yet are able to jump right out and go inside? I had a buddy in college who parked in handicapped spots when in a rush because his dad was a doctor.

Back to the moral of the story. Trump making it harder for food stamps isn't eliminating a good program. Hopefully, it's eliminated some of the people who aren't using it the right way without hurting those who need it.
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Fair enough.
I apologise.

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LoPo said:
No idea. For all I know, the people with brand new shoes, cell phones and cars were in a much worst state than their appearances showed.

Donald Trump didn't attack any person with his moves on this. He's attacking the system. You can't change anything right now without somebody getting hurt. AHCA helped millions but also made even more millions pay more for health care. Did we need AHCA? Yes. Does higher health insurance suck? Yes. Did Obama "attack" people who didn't need health care but have to pay higher rates? No. I'm not going to spin the narrative to say that Obama attacked me.
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Good post.

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One Brow said:
I went to college with a guy like that.

He had been a paratrooper in the army, and his knees that were painful to walk more than a few hundred feet on. Perhaps he should have used a wheelchair to make me feel better about his parking?
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It's a damn shame how much y'all can twist stuff around to fit the story you want to tell.

Continue to be brain washed by the media and tell whatever stories you need to tell yourselves to continue on your hate train. I'm so glad I don't live in your hate filled existence. I choose to appreciate the good as much as I can. I think we are living in pretty good times

And sorry for your veteran buddy who obviously deserves a handicapped parking spot and was definitely not the type person I was talking about. Good day everybody.
 
LoPo said:
It's a damn shame how much y'all can twist stuff around to fit the story you want to tell.
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I'm sorry. I should narrow my stories so that when you come across as judgmental about other people's behavior, the stories don't do anything to make you feel bad.

LoPo said:
Continue to be brain washed by the media ...
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Insulting my mental acuity does not improve how judgmental you are coming across.

I know, I did it again.

LoPo said:
I'm so glad I don't live in your hate filled existence.
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So, you are the one who complains about people on food stamps buying a steak or people not visibly disabled using a disabled parking spot, but I'm the one walking around filled with hate? OK.

LoPo said:
Good day everybody.
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Thank you for the conversation. Go Jazz!
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Great post. it's interesting that I have experienced a gift very similar to yours. I've been fortunate to find myself on the high end of the financial spectrum (though nowhere near as high as some). Given that we have such different views of the landscape now, it will be interesting to see which one of us is correct... as long as it's me that is correct. If it's you we will all sincerely wish this era had never happened.
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Well, may you live long enough to know which of us was correct. I'm thinking it will take some time to undo the damage that I see taking place. And with what I see as "retrograde forces" pushing a Post Truth landscape, well, that may make finding truth as elusive as it could possibly ever be, and I doubt I'll live long enough to see us get completely past this regrettable trend toward "truth is whatever you want it to be", or "truth is what the president says it is". Authoritarians love truth that is flexible toward their needs. The reason why I cannot envision, and would never want to accept, a Post Truth landscape as a permanent state. But we are still moving into that landscape, and I hope we spot the off ramps from that path, and head for them. It's gonna be awhile, I think. I just wish more Americans understood why that trend can be so damaging if we don't arrest it soon.

And, even if I be correct, it depends on how the American people ultimately respond to what the Trump Era wrought, that will really determine if we wish it had never happened. We might still wish as much, but if we learn from it, maybe we can turn it into a positive. Right now, we are severely divided, and divided we fall. I'd like to think that will not happen, and that we can eventually elevate and honor again our core values and principles. Even if my take is correct, I'd like to believe we can recover and learn from this huge mistake, as I see it. Mistakes should at least provide valuable lessons that we can use to create a better union. We're still a work in progress, it ain't over yet.
 
Red said:
Well, may you live long enough to know which of us was correct. I'm thinking it will take some time to undo the damage that I see taking place. And with what I see as "retrograde forces" pushing a Post Truth landscape, well, that may make finding truth as elusive as it could possibly ever be, and I doubt I'll live long enough to see us get completely past this regrettable trend toward "truth is whatever you want it to be", or "truth is what the president says it is". Authoritarians love truth that is flexible toward their needs. The reason why I cannot envision, and would never want to accept, a Post Truth landscape as a permanent state. But we are still moving into that landscape, and I hope we spot the off ramps from that path, and head for them. It's gonna be awhile, I think. I just wish more Americans understood why that trend can be so damaging if we don't arrest it soon.

And, even if I be correct, it depends on how the American people ultimately respond to what the Trump Era wrought, that will really determine if we wish it had never happened. We might still wish as much, but if we learn from it, maybe we can turn it into a positive. Right now, we are severely divided, and divided we fall. I'd like to think that will not happen, and that we can eventually elevate and honor again our core values and principles. Even if my take is correct, I'd like to believe we can recover and learn from this huge mistake, as I see it. Mistakes should at least provide valuable lessons that we can use to create a better union. We're still a work in progress, it ain't over yet.
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I remember Republicans spewing the same fear mongering bs about Obama. We're going to be fine Red, I swear it.
 
Red said:
That's great! I'm happy for ya. My wife and I are on fixed incomes, but I've been blessed throughout my life. We're far from wealthy at all, but being on the lower end of an income scale has never been a reason to complain, because I know the VAST majority of humanity is far worse off they we have ever been. Bit of a hard knock to start 2020. Wife was in a bad car accident; gonna take months to recover, but she'll get there, one day at a time.

I've always had an "ability", not sure what else to call it, a "gift", I'm not sure, to correctly predict trends and developments in several areas of interest to me. Not just the social sciences, the field in which I worked, but in a few other disciplines as well. If that happens often enough, and it has, it gave me confidence to know I can often see how things will in fact trend. I just learned to trust my instincts and insight. For instance, I was looking at my journal the other day, and noticed that on the day Trump descended the escalator in Trump Tower to declare his candidacy, I wrote three words: "rule of law". Lol, I knew what I meant by that. That there would be an assault on that bedrock building block if he were ever president. Seeing the news the past two days, from the opposition's perspective to be sure, of AG Barr taking a sledge hammer to the rule of law, demoralizing and politicizing our Justice Dept., it's hard not to think "yeah, that's what I was afraid of".

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...est-trump-including-stone-sentencing-n1135231

I know I must sound pretty arrogant at times, but I'm a humble person, really. Hey, Joe, of course I could be wrong. Maybe Trump will do something that will cause history to say he was the 21st century's greatest leader, who saved the human race from disaster.

At any rate, I count my blessings, Joe. I've had way more than(notice the correct usage, lolol?) my fair share. Life is plenty good enough.
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Here’s to a speedy recovery for your wife and prosperous 2020 and beyond.
 
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This might be the most insightful short essay on impeachment, and it's inherent flaws, and flaws born of partisanship, that I have ever read. Would that I could be this concise and on point. Yes, it's anti-Trump, which might encourage my pro-Trump friends to ignore it, but I do believe we can all gain from the insights this essay provides. Essentially, it's about what partisanship has rendered. I found it very clarifying, and am sharing it for that reason.

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/606208/
 
One Brow said:
I've heard that engaging in this sort of back and forth actually activates pleasure centers in your brain. People get perverse pleasure from it.

Off the top of my head, Trump has cut food stamps, shortened the period of time some people are on disability, tried to get the Affordable Care Act declared un-Constitutional (which would eliminate some Medicaid funds as well as clauses like pre-existing conditions), under-cut the voting rights act, and loosened up environmental regulations. Need more?
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That's a republican line and it's not very true in my experience. Environmental regulations get proposed and amended, it's a constant, ongoing process. Trial and error, unforeseen issues with implementation and practicality, lead to changes which are being called Trump relaxations. Backing a little bit off a future rule that tightens standards is still tightened standards, just not quite as tight as initially proposed. Generally speaking, there is usually solid justification for doing so, otherwise the industry challenges wouldn't have any merit and fall flat.

I took a quick look at this list: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

A lot of the stuff on there is fluff, to say the least. I'm tongue tied on what I can share on a public forum but if you want a private conversation I could go into a bit more detail on the regulations I am directly involved with. I've provided some insight in the past on a few, but those posts seem to go unnoticed. I see specifically where some of these are used politically to claim loosened regulations where the opposite is true.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
That's a republican line and it's not very true in my experience. Environmental regulations get proposed and amended, it's a constant, ongoing process. Trial and error, unforeseen issues with implementation and practicality, lead to changes which are being called Trump relaxations. Backing a little bit off a future rule that tightens standards is still tightened standards, just not quite as tight as initially proposed. Generally speaking, there is usually solid justification for doing so, otherwise the industry challenges wouldn't have any merit and fall flat.

I took a quick look at this list: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

A lot of the stuff on there is fluff, to say the least. I'm tongue tied on what I can share on a public forum but if you want a private conversation I could go into a bit more detail on the regulations I am directly involved with. I've provided some insight in the past on a few, but those posts seem to go unnoticed. I see specifically where some of these are used politically to claim loosened regulations where the opposite is true.
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I appreciate your point of view, and would not ask you to divulge private information to an internet stranger. Thank you.
 
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