The Thriller
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I’m just gonna leave this here. Unbelievable
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The Thriller
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This is cool
also, Steph Curry’s interview with Dr Fauci was good. Glad to see Americans stepping up. Contrast that with this nonsense:
also, Steph Curry’s interview with Dr Fauci was good. Glad to see Americans stepping up. Contrast that with this nonsense:
RandyForRubio
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sorry you have no idea what left/right is. The window has shifted so much that MSM dems are essentially 90's republicans who dont hate gays and minorities.
RandyForRubio
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Your talking points are cute.
RandyForRubio
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I'd bet we're under 250,000.
And that's hedging it, imo. I really doubt it goes over 150,000.
Still a lot of people.
It sounds like even for those who don't die, there can be some serious long term issues. That will be interesting to follow.
Anyone who is advocating for stopping lockdowns or shutdowns or social distancing for economic reasons is saying that they will trade lives for prosperity.
I’m not even arguing that this is wrong.
Im just saying that people who profess to be pro life cannot make this argument without moral difficulties.
Is there a difference between loss of life as the intended (and actively pursued) consequence vs. loss of life as a recognized risk? My assumption is that your argument is that they are the same. If so, it makes for the automobile accident fatalities as a calculated risk the same scenario, if we’re assuming equivalence of the first two.
Nah, I’m just pointing out hypocrisy of people who say there is no price worth paying for a human life advocating for a policy that will surely lead to many deaths. My morals see the ambiguity that you rightly point out.
Would you grant that one could believe loss of life as the sole intended consequence is different than loss of life as a result of elevated risk factors? Would pro-lifers be inconsistent in belief by opposing the loss of life via abortion while also voting for raising the speed limit on the highway? [not arguing scale here, just principle]
Consider the argument posed by Rusty Reno in the pages of the magazine he edits, the largely conservative Catholic First Things. Reno criticizes New York governor Andrew Cuomo for saying “I did everything we could do. And if everything we do saves just one life, I’ll be happy.” To Reno, Cuomo’s statement represents a “disastrous sentimentalism” because “there are many things more precious than life.”
Yes, there are causes worth laying down one’s life for. But to think of today’s social-isolation practices in those terms is a bizarre and extreme misjudgment. In his topsy-turvy interpretation, Reno believes the temporary stay-at-home measures that New York has put in place to protect lives are actually allowing a fear of death to displace other things we should care about. Claiming that the news media and public-health officials are “conspir[ing] to heighten the atmosphere of crisis,” Reno says that Satan would approve and that “the mass shutdown of society to fight the spread of COVID-19 creates a perverse, even demonic atmosphere.”
Yes, there are causes worth laying down one’s life for. But to think of today’s social-isolation practices in those terms is a bizarre and extreme misjudgment. In his topsy-turvy interpretation, Reno believes the temporary stay-at-home measures that New York has put in place to protect lives are actually allowing a fear of death to displace other things we should care about. Claiming that the news media and public-health officials are “conspir[ing] to heighten the atmosphere of crisis,” Reno says that Satan would approve and that “the mass shutdown of society to fight the spread of COVID-19 creates a perverse, even demonic atmosphere.”
The Thriller
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For those who insist that the cure is worse than the disease:
You are one smart dude. I love your reasoning and it is consistent with my moral code.
My answer is that it depends on how that person is pro life. If they say “we should do whatever practical to avoid unwanted pregnancy and abortions” (kinda my view) then you can consistently say “I’m okay with raising the speed limit” and Be logically and morally consistent.
if one argues against abortion by making statements such as “we must save every life at any costs because every life is sacred.” With an inflexible and absolutist position, this person has difficulty supporting raising speed limits, knowing that deaths will occur, even if these deaths are stochastic.
Here’s some projections from the University of Washington.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/proj...aO2FlqVzmHUenlasJST3dt195lRnHJMEkrEfr5KdpoT-Y
You can go by state and it projects hospital resources and projected shortages as a function of time.
Overall with social distancing, projecting about 80k deaths by August.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/proj...aO2FlqVzmHUenlasJST3dt195lRnHJMEkrEfr5KdpoT-Y
You can go by state and it projects hospital resources and projected shortages as a function of time.
Overall with social distancing, projecting about 80k deaths by August.
I sent you 3 examples. Took me ~5 minutes. Look around the internet for more.
Joe Bagadonuts
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It's so fitting that there is a typo in your answer.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Not true. It is literally impossible to know where any set of actions other than the ones we actually take would lead, but it is not at all impossible to believe that if we would have instead used a fraction of the stimulus package money in order to fully quarantine the most vulnerable portions of our population, while simultaneously keeping the economy running, that we wouldn't have ultimately achieved a better outcome. Remember, corona is not the only thing that kills. Poverty is a killer too, and if we decide to cut the legs out from under our economy for an extended period of time we are going to experience a ton of that.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Also, BTW, like most Dems, Thriller wasn't actually a Biden supporter. The entire Democratic party just got drunk in Vegas one night. Soon they are going to wake up and be horrified to realize that they accidentally got married to a senile candidate who literally personifies everything they'd been previously claiming that they did not want.