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latin jazz said:
It's refreshing to see people having a thoughtful debate. Stitches, I agree with you. But just to add to your point about car accident deaths and proportionality in public policy: many countries in Europe have embraced a very ambitious 'zero death' policy goal. While it might not be realistic in the short term (or even long term), earlier results show a decrease in unnecessary traffic deaths if some "simple things"(to quote Ron Mexico) are implemented: better intersection design, wider sidewalks, traffic calming policies, decreased car dependency, more rigorous testing and police enforcement, etc.

If more awareness could be raised for serious issues such as the flu or car deaths (which according to the WHO, is the leading cause of death for people aged 15-29, costing about 3% of GDP globally), incremental steps could be taken to minimize unnecessary deaths. And this steps/simple things might not be as politically challenged as more strict and sudden measures.
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Oh absolutely! It's never all or nothing when it comes to measures against serious risk. There are reasonable measures to take about any threat/risk that reduce the danger to the population and in some cases might even have positive economic effect.

Ron Mexico actually made me rethink something I said in my post - I said if I had compromised immune system or kids, etc. I'd be taking the flu shot every year. I think from now on I will be taking it anyways. Because it's not just about me or the ones close to me. It costs me close to nothing, but it might prevent a vulnerable person from serious complications or death. So yeah... thanks to him for changing my mind. :)
 
stitches said:
Oh absolutely! It's never all or nothing when it comes to measures against serious risk. There are reasonable measures to take about any threat/risk that reduce the danger to the population and in some cases might even have positive economic effect.

Ron Mexico actually made me rethink something I said in my post - I said if I had compromised immune system or kids, etc. I'd be taking the flu shot every year. I think from now on I will be taking it anyways. Because it's not just about me or the ones close to me. So yeah... thanks to him for changing my mind. :)
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@stitches @Ron Mexico
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Trump then...“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done,” Trump said. “We have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job.”

Trump now........“We can hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000, that’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000 — so we have between 100- and 200,000 — we all, together, have done a very good job,”


Seems like he thinks that no matter what he does or doesn't do or what happens that he is doing a great job.
 
I am interested to see how Sweden fares through this. They are not practicing any social distancing nor closing businesses. They have warned elderly and at risk to take precaution but no more than they would for the flu. So far they have just over 4000 confirmed cases and 146 deaths. I am not sure how aggressively they are testing for the virus.
 
fishonjazz said:
Trump then...“When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done,” Trump said. “We have it so well under control. I mean, we really have done a very good job.”

Trump now........“We can hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000, that’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000 — so we have between 100- and 200,000 — we all, together, have done a very good job,”


Seems like he thinks that no matter what he does or doesn't do or what happens that he is doing a great job.
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In all fairness he did say we, not I.
 
Scat said:
In all fairness he did say we, not I.
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In all fairness the word "we" includes the person saying it imo. So he is congratulating himself, along with other unnamed people.
 
Scat said:
I am interested to see how Sweden fares through this. They are not practicing any social distancing nor closing businesses. They have warned elderly and at risk to take precaution but no more than they would for the flu. So far they have just over 4000 confirmed cases and 146 deaths. I am not sure how aggressively they are testing for the virus.
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I suspect Japan is ****ed. They have the second oldest median age in the world after Monaco.
 
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Catchall said:
They are already resigned to the fact that the Covid-19 virus is out there and that it will very likely become a regularly circulating and mutating coronavirus along with the other 18.
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Frankly your post was a lot of ways of "lying with numbers" but I couldn't get over this sentence, particularly because you are speaking with such faux authoritativeness to contradict people who have studied this their whole lives.

Do you believe that there are precisely 19 coronavirus strains and this one was named Covid-19 because they are numbered sequentially in order of discovery? Anxiously awaiting your expert reply.
 
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