Coronavirus

[The Midnight]

Absolutely agree with 1 and 2.

I'm not sure there is no urgency in producing masks. There is urgency... but there is just shortage EVERYWHERE. The western world is not ready for this type of demand. Almost every single country in the world right now is putting in orders by the billions right now. Keep in mind that a lot of the production has been outsourced to China and even if the production itself is not entirely in China, the resources and supply chains for those PPEs, medications, equipment, materials go through China.

IMO this is a strategic weakness of the Western world's strategy with handling crisis like that. In the future they will need to diversify their resources on critical equipment, materials, etc. even if it's not as cheap as going to China for most of it.

Ok on the 1 and 2, that's gonna be a problem if things don't turn around quick. I mean I'm still seeing Trump and expert doctors and officials giving press conferences without wearing masks - speaking and sometimes shouting not more than 2-3 meters away from the press.

What's their excuse? That they don't have the virus? Are they testing themselves every single day to know that?

It starts at the top and unless things change, the outcome won't change. And the trajectory of where we're going won't change.

 

[The Midnight]

Also on relying on the Chinese to make masks.. um.. the last I check they don't have a patent on surgical or cloth masks? If GM can turn their factory into making complicated ventilators, other factories around the country can be turned into making simple surgical or cloth masks. I mean have you seen how simple they are to make?

 

[Red]

I just do not understand this. I know we are a federal system, 50 states, but why is the federal government not correcting this? We are also one nation, so this seems absurd. Why are states having to bid for what they desperately need?

https://news.google.com/articles/CA...AowjuuKAzCWrzwwloEY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

A chorus of governors from across the political spectrum is publicly challenging the Trump administration’s assertion that the United States is well-stocked and well-prepared to test people for the coronavirus and care for the sickest patients.

In New York State — the center of the nation’s outbreak, with at least 1,550 deaths — Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Tuesday that the country’s patchwork approach to the pandemic had made it harder to get desperately needed ventilators.

“You now literally will have a company call you up and say, ‘Well, California just outbid you,’” Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, said in his daily news briefing. “It’s like being on eBay with 50 other states, bidding on a ventilator.”

Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland, a Republican, said on Tuesday that his state was “flying blind” in the fight against the coronavirus because officials did not have enough tests. When asked during an NPR interview about President Trump’s comments suggesting that a chronic lack of test kits was no longer a problem in the United States, Mr. Hogan did not mince words: “Yeah, that’s just not true.”

 

[JazzGal]

Yes absolutely the right thing to do, for both you and everyone around you. Is it easy enough to get tested around where you live?

Getting easier all the time.

The trouble is getting masks. I have a few regular ones on hand only because I have lung disease and it helps keep cold air out of my lungs in the winter. But I didn't restock before everything sold out and is rightfully going to medical staff.

I have one N95 mask that I'll use if I get COVID. I feel too guilty to wear it to the office now as my law enforcement coworkers can't get them presently and really need them. But I don't want to give mine away because I need it too.

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[Red]

Evidence mounts that Trump is squashing a federal response to the coronavirus. Why???
It's difficult not to see this as criminal behavior! Why is there no federal coordination? I thought we were one nation?

"Trump’s failure to nationalize the response to the crisis amounts to nothing less than sabotage of the war against this disease.
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the CEOs of many major companies are explaining why nationalization of the supply chain—an act that Trump refuses to take—is so important."


https://peoplesworld.org/article/ev...is-squashing-federal-response-to-coronavirus/

--"Other than the daily public relations show performed on national television by Donald Trump, there is no coordinated national response. Trump has not fully invoked the Defense Production Act which allows the government to order private companies to produce what is needed. There is no national stay-at-home order, despite the fact that the United States is now the hardest-hit nation on the planet."

--"The lack of a coordinated national response has resulted in a complicated patchwork of responses on the state, city, town, and county levels all across the country—and many of those are inadequate."

--"Yesterday, Trump said in his daily show that he had met with the nation’s governors earlier in the day and that they were “happy” with “what we have done.” Someone taped the meeting, however, and it was played on national television last night. It presented a very different picture than the one painted by Trump in his public remarks."

--"Trump reiterated to the governors that the federal government’s role is to “back up and assist” them but that it is the states themselves that are responsible for fighting the virus.
Later in the day, he essentially admitted to the absurdity of his idea last week to pack the churches on Easter. But rather than switching gears and mounting a federal response, he instead lowered the bar for the federal government, essentially declaring that if “only” 200,000 died, the federal government could declare “victory.”

 

[JazzyFresh]

Daily check in.

204,963 average cases per day for 365 more days to hit 75,000,000(and that was the low irresponsible fear mongering prediction). That's still about 1.7 cases per second for an entire year.

I keep expecting this number to start dramatically changing but it's not. This exponential growth that I was ridiculed and called stupid about just isn't happening on the fear mongering scale that was being pushed and hoped for.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Evidence mounts that Trump is squashing a federal response to the coronavirus. Why???
It's difficult not to see this as criminal behavior! Why is there no federal coordination? I thought we were one nation?

"Trump’s failure to nationalize the response to the crisis amounts to nothing less than sabotage of the war against this disease.
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the CEOs of many major companies are explaining why nationalization of the supply chain—an act that Trump refuses to take—is so important."


https://peoplesworld.org/article/ev...is-squashing-federal-response-to-coronavirus/

--"Other than the daily public relations show performed on national television by Donald Trump, there is no coordinated national response. Trump has not fully invoked the Defense Production Act which allows the government to order private companies to produce what is needed. There is no national stay-at-home order, despite the fact that the United States is now the hardest-hit nation on the planet."

--"The lack of a coordinated national response has resulted in a complicated patchwork of responses on the state, city, town, and county levels all across the country—and many of those are inadequate."

--"Yesterday, Trump said in his daily show that he had met with the nation’s governors earlier in the day and that they were “happy” with “what we have done.” Someone taped the meeting, however, and it was played on national television last night. It presented a very different picture than the one painted by Trump in his public remarks."

--"Trump reiterated to the governors that the federal government’s role is to “back up and assist” them but that it is the states themselves that are responsible for fighting the virus.
Later in the day, he essentially admitted to the absurdity of his idea last week to pack the churches on Easter. But rather than switching gears and mounting a federal response, he instead lowered the bar for the federal government, essentially declaring that if “only” 200,000 died, the federal government could declare “victory.”

So gross dude. Personally I wish you'd just let up with your obvious copy and pasted bias disinformation for one day. People are dying here. Let no crisis go to waste.

 

[JazzyFresh]

@Red

Who says this? Can you provide the doctors who are saying this? From what I'm seeing 200,000 is a high guesstimate. Second paragraph of your obvious propaganda piece.

"The nation’s top health officials say that if everything goes “perfectly,” we will “only” have up to 200,000 dead. If things don’t go perfectly, it could be in the millions, they say."

 

[JazzyFresh]

@Red



Deborah Birx and Anthony S. Fauci, the leaders of the White House task force, emphasized that although the projection of 100,000 to 240,000 deaths were likely, they were hopeful that they could prevent such a high number by adhering to strict mitigation protocols.

 

[candrew]

There is no reason to think that masks don't help at least partially for the general population. Even if they are not 100% proof to stop you from getting the virus, there are several points where it helps:
1. small chance it will prevent a droplet from someone else infected talking around you landing on your face, mouth, nose.
2. it stops you from directly touching your face frequently, thus limiting the chance you will transfer it on your face if you've touched a surface that has the virus until you wash your hands
3. all the sick are mandated to wear masks, because they limit how much the sick contaminate the ones around them and the environment/surfaces around them. A ton of people who are infected don't know it, thus widespread mask use captures a lot of them in limiting spreading the disease.

Actually people wearing masks touch their face constantly because they're continually adjusting the damn thing because they're not used to wearing one.

If you're practicing social distancing the mask is probably not needed.

Although agree on third point, the masks should be saved for people who are sick.

 

[One Brow]

Daily check in.

204,963 average cases per day for 365 more days to hit 75,000,000(and that was the low irresponsible fear mongering prediction). That's still about 1.7 cases per second for an entire year.

I keep expecting this number to start dramatically changing but it's not. This exponential growth that I was ridiculed and called stupid about just isn't happening on the fear mongering scale that was being pushed and hoped for.

Except, it is. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Look at the graph labeled "Cumulative total number of COVID-19 cases in the United States by report date, January 12, 2020 to March 30, 2020, at 4pm ET"

4,226 cases on 3/16
44,183 cases on 3/23
163,539 on 3/30

Let's downplay to keep is simple, and call that a 3-fold increase in a week, and 160,000 cases right now. How many cases would there be in three weeks?

4,320,000.

In another 3 weeks?

116,640,000

Will it triple every week? Probably not. Will the number jump by larger amounts every day? Yes, for quite while.

 

[The Thriller]

This seems relevant to the medical supplies discussion.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Except, it is. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Look at the graph labeled "Cumulative total number of COVID-19 cases in the United States by report date, January 12, 2020 to March 30, 2020, at 4pm ET"

4,226 cases on 3/16
44,183 cases on 3/23
163,539 on 3/30

Let's downplay to keep is simple, and call that a 3-fold increase in a week, and 160,000 cases right now. How many cases would there be in three weeks?

4,320,000.

In another 3 weeks?

116,640,000

Will it triple every week? Probably not. Will the number jump by larger amounts every day? Yes, for quite while.

You're better than this brow. But I guess if people believe it I'm going have to keep doing my daily numbers. You're talking about 33+% of the population. No other country is even at a half of a percent.

 

[One Brow]

You're better than this brow. But I guess if people believe it I'm going have to keep doing my daily numbers. You're talking about 33+% of the population. No other country is even at a half of a percent.

Yet. What's your reason for thinking the spread will slow down?

 

[Gameface]

You're better than this brow. But I guess if people believe it I'm going have to keep doing my daily numbers. You're talking about 33+% of the population. No other country is even at a half of a percent.

How high do you think the number will go and what are you willing to put on that?

 

[The Midnight]

Getting easier all the time.

The trouble is getting masks. I have a few regular ones on hand only because I have lung disease and it helps keep cold air out of my lungs in the winter. But I didn't restock before everything sold out and is rightfully going to medical staff.

I have one N95 mask that I'll use if I get COVID. I feel too guilty to wear it to the office now as my law enforcement coworkers can't get them presently and really need them. But I don't want to give mine away because I need it too.

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Don't be shy to use your masks. As I remember you're older than most in your office therefore you're more vulnerable than them.

Also in terms of getting more masks, you might have to get creative. Either sew your own cloth masks OR get them somehow from Ebay or Craigslist or from other avenues like Facebook groups?

I had recently moved to Bangkok and at first I had no masks but everyone else was wearing one. I went on facebook, typed in "Masks for sale" and there were x2 Facebook groups that I joined which had people posting ads for them. These people import them from Vietnam. I was able to procure about x400 masks (about $0.50 each) and was able to give or resold them to friends and family who were really grateful as they had no way of getting them (all sold out at pharmacies, etc).

So there are masks for sale out there, you just have to somehow find them. Sometimes if the State aren't gonna help you, you have to get creative and help yourself.

 

[JazzyFresh]

How high do you think the number will go and what are you willing to put on that?

Well let's say 10% gets infected that's 33 million. So if 5% of that 33 mill die were at 1.6 mill deaths.

Right now we're not even at .06%. That's not even a tenth of one percent. So it's going to take astronomical numbers just to get 1% let alone 33% or my 10% I used.

Don't care to make wagers on a catastrophe though. Keep in mind no other country is even at .06% so I'm being extremely generous.

 

[candrew]

The stores around here are all out of ice cream except vanilla.

I don't know how much more of this I can take!

 

[Avery]

The stores around here are all out of ice cream except vanilla.

I don't know how much more of this I can take!

Ice cream game was horrible at first, but my Smiths yesterday had a whole ton. Food in general was restocked quite well and almost to normal.

Getting TP and Clorox wipes is still an exercise in futility.

 

[Zombie]

Well let's say 10% gets infected that's 33 million. So if 5% of that 33 mill die were at 1.6 mill deaths.

Right now we're not even at .06%. That's not even a tenth of one percent. So it's going to take astronomical numbers just to get 1% let alone 33% or my 10% I used.

Don't care to make wagers on a catastrophe though. Keep in mind no other country is even at .06% so I'm being extremely generous.

So your argument against exponential growth, the math for which has been shown to you, is that it makes numbers too big?