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SI picks Utes to win PAC12 South.

Scat said:
Just now while waiting at the pharmacy I had the chance to peruse 3 college sports periodicals and all three (Lindy, Steele & Athlon) had Utah picked 3rd in the South behind ASU and USC. One, Athlon I believe, had Utah and UCLA tied in the 3rd slot.
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SaltyDawg said:
And since USC is not eligible, they really had Utah picked second in the south. So SI wasn't that different from anyone else.
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There's a difference between being picked first because you are indeed the best as opposed to being picked 3rd but because the better team is ineligible you get to move up a spot. You may get to occupy the 2nd spot when all is said and done but you're still only the 3rd best team.

Also, regarding the grand scheme of things in the PAC-12 I think 5th overall was the best ranking that the Utes received. OU, OSU, ASU and USC were all picked over the Utes. I know, I know. That would translate into 4th because USC is ineligible. Clearly.
 
Scat said:
There's a difference between being picked first because you are indeed the best as opposed to being picked 3rd but because the better team is ineligible you get to move up a spot. You may get to occupy the 2nd spot when all is said and done but you're still only the 3rd best team.

Also, regarding the grand scheme of things in the PAC-12 I think 5th overall was the best ranking that the Utes received. OU, OSU, ASU and USC were all picked over the Utes. I know, I know. That would translate into 4th because USC is ineligible. Clearly.
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Being second to USC or flat out winning the south is no different. Either way, the Utes end up in the Pac 12 championship game. I don't care about your hate. Plenty of teams have won the superbowl but didn't finish the season as the #1 seed. I expect Utah to finish ahead of USC anyway, but your argument is not concerning to me.

I can see it's really going to hurt BYU fans when Utah is in the Pac 12 championship game while BYU is preparing for the nobody cares bowl.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
BYU is going to be in a BCS bowl this year. I'll put my Internet life on it.
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LOL!!!!

Utah has a way better chance of being in a BCS bowl than BYU. All Utah has to do is win the Pac 12 championship game (could even lose that game and still play in a BCS game). BYU has to go undefeated.
 
SaltyDawg said:
LOL!!!!

Utah has a way better chance of being in a BCS bowl than BYU. All Utah has to do is win the Pac 12 championship game (could even lose that game and still play in a BCS game). BYU has to go undefeated.
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I don't have their schedule in front of me but if they win there first 3 games the hype machine will be churnin' for that. I think after those they also have TCU and Oregon St and I know TCU has been good but they have A LOT of turnover so while they may not be bad not sure how good they'll actually be and according to Duck the U is full of suck and Oregon St. is generally picked to finish below the U. As well as Miss St. lost it's starting QB and is generally one of the weaker SEC and Texas is a young but improving team so I guess they picked a good time to play these bigger named schools.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
I don't have their schedule in front of me but if they win there first 3 games the hype machine will be churnin' for that. I think after those they also have TCU and Oregon St and I know TCU has been good but they have A LOT of turnover so while they may not be bad not sure how good they'll actually be and according to Duck the U is full of suck and Oregon St. is generally picked to finish below the U. As well as Miss St. lost it's starting QB and is generally one of the weaker SEC and Texas is a young but improving team so I guess they picked a good time to play these bigger named schools.
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Yeah BYU has an easy schedule, no doubt. None the less, they need to go undefeated to play in a BCS bowl. And even then, they will have trouble passing Boise State.

You can bet they will lose to Utah, possibly lose to TCU, and might lose to Texas.

Utah, on the other hand, doesn't have to worry about any of that. If they win the Pac 12 Championship game, they are in the Rose Bowl. And if they lose the Pac 12 Championship game, they still go to the Rose Bowl if the Pac 12 Champion is in the national championship game (which is not a far fetched scenario at all).
 
SaltyDawg said:
No, my argument is that Utah is better than USC, and even the national media is saying Utah is in the consensus top 2 picks to represent the PAC 12 South in the championship game.

Basically, my argument is that Sports Illustrated's prediction was not far fetched. The rest of the national media has the Utes pretty close to where Sports Illustrated has them.
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"Clearly" we found out who was better today.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Yeah BYU has an easy schedule, no doubt. None the less, they need to go undefeated to play in a BCS bowl. And even then, they will have trouble passing Boise State.

You can bet they will lose to Utah, possibly lose to TCU, and might lose to Texas.

Utah, on the other hand, doesn't have to worry about any of that. If they win the Pac 12 Championship game, they are in the Rose Bowl. And if they lose the Pac 12 Championship game, they still go to the Rose Bowl if the Pac 12 Champion is in the national championship game (which is not a far fetched scenario at all).
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Not far-fetched? Which Pac-12 team is going to the title game? Oregon who already got their *** handed to them once?
 
USC was not "clearly" the better team, lol. In case you guys missed it, Utah had a chance to win on the last play of the game. And this was with Jordan Wynn playing like crap, and John White getting hurt and missing a crucial series. If they try one more play at the end, who knows what happens.

That game could have gone either way. Anyone saying USC was clearly the better team obviously didn't watch the game. Utah was going for a routing 41 yard field goal to tie the game at the end and USC blocked it. That is not going to happen too often.

Utah has to do something about Jordan Wynn though. We have a pretty good running back in White, very good receivers, and a QB who makes bad decisions, throws like a 7th grade girl, and cowers in fear whenever there is the slightest bit of pressure. If this guy can't find his game he needs to be benched. Either he is hurt and needs to be benched, or he is healthy and needs to be benched because he sucks. It may very well be a mental thing like Whitt said, but he is hurting the team at this point. A halfway decent game from Wynn and we blow USC out yesterday. Heck, we almost beat them with the crappy Wynn.
 
SalmonHobo said:
Not far-fetched? Which Pac-12 team is going to the title game? Oregon who already got their *** handed to them once?
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Or Stanford, you know, the highest ranked team in the Pac 12, with the best QB in the nation, and many people's preseaon favorites to win the Pac 12.
 
SaltyDawg said:
In case you guys missed it, Utah had a chance to win on the last play of the game.
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You need to recheck your math there. The final play of the game was a field goal attempt. The final score was 17-14. A field goal is worth three points. Something here doesn't add up. Anybody else know what it is?
 
SaltyDawg said:
Or Stanford, you know, the highest ranked team in the Pac 12, with the best QB in the nation, and many people's preseaon favorites to win the Pac 12.
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Gotcha. My apologies. I doubt they'll make it though. If they do, they'll get their asses handed to them.

FSU vs. Oklahoma next week. Now that's a real game. Despite getting our asses kicked last year in Norman, and this game being at home, I see us still being a year away and losing 38-30.
 
catratcho said:
You need to recheck your math there. The final play of the game was a field goal attempt. The final score was 17-14. A field goal is worth three points. Something here doesn't add up. Anybody else know what it is?
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And a touchdown is worth 7 points. So as I said, Utah had a chance to win on the final play of the game. Or are you suggesting a touchdown is out of the question when the line of scrimmage is the 24 yard line? They had a chance to win, they obviously didn't take advantage of it.
 
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