Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Archie Moses]

@Thriller - just in case you or anyone else are going to try and say, "yeah, but you didn't mention white supremacists." **** those pieces of **** too.
**** the antifa, the proud boys, Trump, you woke ****s who literally side with arson and looting. I'm not 100% sure this guy died or didn't die to looting but if he did, you ****ers condoned that ****.

 

[One Brow]

Yes, I contradicted myself. Or maybe I simply revised my statement.

So far as your belief on the matter, we’ll agree to disagree. People’s beliefs are fluid. That’s undeniable.

True. But confirmation bias and selection bias are also still things. Violence or a lack of violence is not going to change people minds about how violent some people are.

 

[Archie Moses]

Rest easy, David Dorn. I hope it's hard to sleep tonight for you virtue signalers condoning this ****.

 

[Archie Moses]

True. But confirmation bias and selection bias are also still things. Violence of a lack of violence is not going to change people minds about how violent some people are.

I don't know what you just said.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Seems like he’s worried about losing a few senators and is tweeting to keep them in line

 

[NAOS]

Can someone please give Archie a ****ing strong tranquilizer?

 

[One Brow]

I’m going to put this one in a spoiler for graphic content:

Retired police officer (black) killed by a looter over TVs. For all the white people saying to just shut up and listen, and for failing to distinguish between protest and riot, or to even suggest its offensive and silencing to even make such a distinction, how many of these individuals is it appropriate to sacrifice to make that voice heard? Do we continue to conflate the protestors with the rioters/looters, because we need to understand that anger?

When we ‘understand’ the anger that fuels the violence, who are the victims?

We should probably also separate the instigators looking to cause trouble or take advantage of chaos from the those who get angry, particularly when those who get angry at police over-reactions.

Did you notice this particular looter happened to be white?

 

[One Brow]

Rest easy, David Dorn. I hope it's hard to sleep tonight for you virtue signalers condoning this ****.

Who condones the white guys trying to make protesters look bad?

 

[One Brow]

I don't know what you just said.

Should have been "or" instead of "of".

 

[Archie Moses]

Should have been "or" instead of "of".

Gotcha.

I constantly have to reread what I write because my brain or me types one thing while I think another or I need to slow down - and I'm a terrible speller.

 

[infection]

We should probably also separate the instigators looking to cause trouble or take advantage of chaos from the those who get angry, particularly when those who get angry at police over-reactions.

Did you notice this particular looter happened to be white?

I didn’t see any of the looters. But do you believe I have any supposition on the race of the looter, or care if they’re black or white?

My position is simple:

There’s a lot of peaceful protest and then there’s rioting and looting. From the get go, white people have come out defending and rationalizing the violence and destruction (and, in essence, inadvertently conflating it with protest). These arguments came under the idea of “understanding” what the violence is telling us, and also to not judge. [and as a side note, I’ve been the earliest and probably loudest voice saying that a lot of this probably isn’t caused by the black communities themselves]. I don’t speak for black people. But I am speaking on JFC, which is largely white, and that white census of our board (and the white census I’ve seen all over social media) is feeling it necessary to just “shut up and listen” and views being concerned about the violence as further evidence of white privileged. I believe this is because many white peoples have the underlying assumption that the violent blowback is going to be against white society, and a belief that ‘since we’ve dished it out, it’s appropriate for us to have a turn to take a small dose.’ But there’s a very ironic racism that underlies that, one that views African Americans as savages. And what all these white spokespeople for the black communities don’t understand is that this blowback, this violence, this destruction and death, is largely not going to be borne by the white community, so they are making no offer of sacrifice. The people affected by this are disproportionately black and minority communities. The jobs lost, the business destroyed that serve the community, and, yes, the people murdered.

So while one may believe it is the ultimate sign of contrition to extend “shut up and listen” to the violence, notice that their words are much more enabling than the words of so many black leaders, among them President Obama. And if the backdrop of everything is the inherent power and privilege of white America, what better way to facilitate further death and destruction than to have the white community “understand” the violence, and see more black homes destroyed, more black businesses going under, more black communities suffering, and more black people dying.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I didn’t see any of the looters. But do you believe I have any supposition on the race of the looter, or care if they’re black or white?

My position is simple:

There’s a lot of peaceful protest and then there’s rioting and looting. From the get go, white people have come out defending and rationalizing the violence and destruction (and, in essence, inadvertently conflating it with protest). These arguments came under the idea of “understanding” what the violence is telling us, and also to not judge. [and as a side note, I’ve been the earliest and probably loudest voice saying that a lot of this probably isn’t caused by the black communities themselves]. I don’t speak for black people. But I am speaking on JFC, which is largely white, and that white census of our board (and the white census I’ve seen all over social media) is feeling it necessary to just “shut up and listen” and views being concerned about the violence as further evidence of white privileged. I believe this is because many white peoples have the underlying assumption that the violent blowback is going to be against white society, and a belief that ‘since we’ve dished it out, it’s appropriate for us to have a turn to take a small dose.’ But there’s a very ironic racism that underlies that, one that views African Americans as savages. And what all these white spokespeople for the black communities don’t understand is that this blowback, this violence, this destruction and death, is largely not going to be borne by the white community, so they are making no offer of sacrifice. The people affected by this are disproportionately black and minority communities. The jobs lost, the business destroyed that serve the community, and, yes, the people murdered.

So while one may believe it is the ultimate sign of contrition to extend “shut up and listen” to the violence, notice that their words are much more enabling than the words of so many black leaders, among them President Obama. And if the backdrop of everything is the inherent power and privilege of white America, what better way to facilitate further death and destruction than to have the white community “understand” the violence, and see more black homes destroyed, more black businesses going under, more black communities suffering, and more black people dying.

For my experience, I don’t see it as a “give and take” situation. I’m not that insecure with myself or my opinions. I have decided to listen to what protesters are saying and trying to listen and internalize. Not judge or point fingers. I can’t understand their experience. I try my best to listen and ask questions.

Being able to draw lines and pick and choose positions based on the situation is a privilege, one those on the street are telling me they don’t have.

JFC is white male dominated. I’m hearing a lot of opinions, and not much talk about the real issue: white men’s unwillingness to be wrong and learning from it.


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