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You have made valid points, but I'm guessing you also speak the native languages, have cultural ties, maybe family....in those places. With a Harvard degree you can pick any job you want as well and pay for a San Sebastien condo. What did you study at Harvard btw?
Those variables definitely help but many people move without any ties or ability to speak the local language. That's been my case (and others I know)

Thanks for asking. I studied urban planning. Sometimes I regret it. It cost me a kidney (kidding) and getting a decent job wasn't easy afterwards. And this year has been bollocks (British slang). I wish I had done an MBA haha. I'm not rich by any mean, very far from it. Financially didn't make sense but I wanted the intellectual challenge of going there.
 
Remember this thread when you're paying $10 for a gallon of milk. Housing prices have already been hit, very few buying a house today have a hope of ever paying it off. Oh what's that? You want to raise minimum wage to $20 an hour? Let me introduce you to Mr. Robot. He doesn't call in sick, need health insurance, or to go on vacation. Companies will hire cheaper working China and Indian firms to do the programming. There might be a few American jobs for cleaning and polishing these guys so they look nice and pretty.

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Please tell me where housing is getting cheaper. It sure as hell isn't here, it really anywhere else we've been looking. Housing is actually on the rise in most of the country.

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Great! But we only need 1 of you for every 10 robots. You'll probably make a decent living. Your real life friends will be asking to borrow money a lot from you though.
Guess I'll mostly be friends with the other people who also work with automated systems.

I don't think you really understand how many skilled people it takes to implement automated systems, to improve them, to maintain them, to repair them and to keep them running at high operational efficiency.

Yes, one person can essentially cover several, if not dozens (really depends, there are so many variables) of pieces of equipment. That person works with reliability engineers, continuous improvement teams, project teams, and works for a supervisor and their boss.

Yeah, I can cover several processing lines where I work. Each of those lines has a few operators. Those operators have their own supervisors. Then there is a quality assurance team who makes sure the production meets standards, etc. They have supervisors.

The amount produced per employee will increase dramatically, but there will be jobs. Those jobs are going to pay well and require skilled labor.
 
Yep and that was fine for 3 months. For the countries long term health though you can't pay people obscene money to stay home, become obese, lose their skills, and expect to compete in the global economy.
The point of the expanded unemployment pay is to KEEP PEOPLE HOME. Plus, of course, the tons of people who have lost their jobs. Can you imagine how much worse the economy would be right now if people DIDN'T have that?
 
People here are arguing over $600 dollar unemployment benefits while Steve Munchin shovels millions to his Wall Street buddies.
No wonder why we can’t have nice things.
What is it, Bezos's net worth has increased $73B since the beginning of the year?
 
Remember this thread when you're paying $10 for a gallon of milk. Housing prices have already been hit, very few buying a house today have a hope of ever paying it off. Oh what's that? You want to raise minimum wage to $20 an hour? Let me introduce you to Mr. Robot. He doesn't call in sick, need health insurance, or to go on vacation. Companies will hire cheaper working China and Indian firms to do the programming. There might be a few American jobs for cleaning and polishing these guys so they look nice and pretty.

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Is this an argument for UBI? Why are you against expanded unemployment benefits again?

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The point of the expanded unemployment pay is to KEEP PEOPLE HOME. Plus, of course, the tons of people who have lost their jobs. Can you imagine how much worse the economy would be right now if people DIDN'T have that?
I know where 680 of them could get jobs.
 
The point of the expanded unemployment pay is to KEEP PEOPLE HOME. Plus, of course, the tons of people who have lost their jobs. Can you imagine how much worse the economy would be right now if people DIDN'T have that?

If your argument is its designed to keep people home, then it shouldn't have been crudely tacked on to the unemployment system. Under that system you do have to go back to work if a job opens up, or lose the benefits. If you quit your job because you don't feel safe from the virus, you're not eligible for the benefits. If the virus is so serious, you should have the option to quit right? The forces at play here are sending two different messages. Overall, if we're in this for the long haul, we need a better system.
 
What is it, Bezos's net worth has increased $73B since the beginning of the year?

We can tax him more, but he'll just pass the taxes on to us. Now that he put everyone out of business, trust me he most assuredly can and will do that.
I saw this scenario playing out 10 years ago.
 
If your argument is its designed to keep people home, then it shouldn't have been crudely tacked on to the unemployment system. Under that system you do have to go back to work if a job opens up, or lose the benefits. If you quit your job because you don't feel safe from the virus, you're not eligible for the benefits. If the virus is so serious, you should have the option to quit right? The forces at play here are sending two different messages. Overall, if we're in this for the long haul, we need a better system.

It was an imperfect solution that was passed with a necessary haste. That said, it might have been totally adequate if Americans had been able to properly quarantine, wear masks, socially distance themselves, and then work within a government system of contact tracing. In other words, it might have been enough in order to be safely open, RIGHT NOW, into something like a “90% version of our economy”. But we were too bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized to pull that off—so more relief is necessary. Not “necessary” in the sense that it’ll hurt peoples’ lil feelings and sense of entitlement if it isn’t passed and delivered, but necessary in the sense that, without it, the economy risks being so damaged that it will be unable to reboot to somewhere near its former size, productivity, and growth.

But our government is also bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized. And so now that the time for another—hopefully less hasty and more precisely distributed—relief package is PAST DUE, we are stuck in a partisan squabble that will cause destruction of the economy and increase opportunities for the virus to spread. We’re so great.
 
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It was an imperfect solution that was passed with a necessary haste. That said, it might have been totally adequate if Americans had been able to properly quarantine, wear masks, socially distance themselves, and then work within a government system of contact tracing. In other words, it might have been enough to be much more safely open RIGHT NOW into some kind of “90% version of our economy”. But we were too bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized to pull that off, so more relief is necessary. Not “necessary” in the sense that it’ll hurt people lil feelings and sense of entitlement, but necessary in the sense that without it, the economy risks being so damaged that it is unable to reboot to its former size, productivity, and growth.

But our government is also bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized. And so now that the time for another—hopefully less hasty and more precisely distributed—relief package is PAST DUE, we are stuck in a partisan squabble that will cause destruction of the economy and increased opportunities for the virus to spread. We’re so great.
Well said. Spot on.
 

But sure, let’s argue about how $600 unemployment benefits during a pandemic is the real rip off.

imagine what’ll Happen under Biden. We’ll probably become like socialist or something and your tax dollars will be mishandled to enrich others.
 
It was an imperfect solution that was passed with a necessary haste. That said, it might have been totally adequate if Americans had been able to properly quarantine, wear masks, socially distance themselves, and then work within a government system of contact tracing. In other words, it might have been enough in order to be safely open, RIGHT NOW, into something like a “90% version of our economy”. But we were too bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized to pull that off—so more relief is necessary. Not “necessary” in the sense that it’ll hurt peoples’ lil feelings and sense of entitlement if it isn’t passed and delivered, but necessary in the sense that, without it, the economy risks being so damaged that it will be unable to reboot to somewhere near its former size, productivity, and growth.

But our government is also bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized. And so now that the time for another—hopefully less hasty and more precisely distributed—relief package is PAST DUE, we are stuck in a partisan squabble that will cause destruction of the economy and increase opportunities for the virus to spread. We’re so great.

As I’ve thought more about this post, I’ve realized I’ve left off a few pretty important facets of the USA response to this pandemic. First, I hope that history recognizes the scene here was poorly positioned to deal with this problem because of the ramifications of our unethical distribution of wealth. There were simply too many people who were unable to shelter-in-place. Even if we imagine a scenario where government aid was much more efficiently distributed (by an institution other than the defunded and flagging IRS) and targeted to the right spots, the two or three weeks it would take to prop up the poorest masses here would have cost us a lot of valuable time when it came to containing the virus. This has nothing to do with these folks’ brattiness, lack of discipline, or political views per se.

The next thing I have to say is related to this, but still independent in enough to merit its own discussion. Within that sector of our society that is near or in poverty, and who get by on trades or forms of manual labor, there is a long-standing culture of bravado and a stoic version of common sense which had a difficult time stepping back and taking stock of the risks. I saw a lot of this in Los Angeles. I think there is a celebration of plowing ahead, and, once again, proving some kind of strength. There was some kind flaunting happening. I think this is best explained by how Capital has coded a masculinity which is actual nothing more than a pliable labor force that will come to heel; and they need to be held on the margins to remain so.

The next thing I’ll mention here is the preponderance of obesity, diabetes, and pre-diabetic conditions here in the USA. The recent research on how these particular underlying conditions make Covid patients much more vulnerable to severe expressions of illness and death is staggering. If these people can be kept inside, then let’s hope they get the help to do so.
 
I agree it's fair. The Democrats bill is also fair.
People staying home and getting paid hasn't hurt me at all. In fact they probably have more money to spend and so it probably actually helps my company have more volume/production.

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Aside from the comedy of suggesting that all the people getting welfare are spending their money on extra yogurt, where do you think that the money they are giving away comes from?
 
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