Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[The Thriller]

Nothing good happens out on the streets late at night.

If you're comfortable with an untrained 17 year-old with an AR roaming the streets, you've got issues. If you're comfortable with people breaking and looting storefronts because they're pissed, you've got issues.

All of this is being fed by a government that just doesn't get it.

The two aren't equal. Let's not "both sides" this too.

 

[Red]

Yeah, he went looking for trouble and he found it. He's a moron. But also if you are getting your *** beat by a mob using weapons then I think it's fair game.

Sometimes I forget the assault laws laws don't apply if you are "protesting". I'm so bad with laws and rules.

If you have any evidence that Mr. Huber, the man with the skateboard, chasing down the kid who just shot someone, was part of a mob beating the kid, could you post it for us? And, no, the skateboard does not count. He was trying to take the guy out before he shot others, and was then himself killed by the kid. Fair game my ***. Let’s see your proof that Huber was beating on the kid. Let’s see your proof that he was looting, destroying, doing anything other than peacefully protesting.

2 GoFundMe fundraisers set up by loved ones of Anthony Huber, 26-year-old man reportedly killed Tuesday

Loved ones of Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old Kenosha man killed Tuesday during demonstrations following the shooting of Jacob Blake, are calling him a "hero."

journaltimes.com

 

[Beer]

If you have any evidence that Mr. Huber, the man with the skateboard, chasing down the kid who just shot someone, was part of a mob beating the kid, could you post it for us? And, no, the skateboard does not count. He was trying to take the guy out before he shot others, and was then himself killed by the kid. Fair game my ***.

2 GoFundMe fundraisers set up by loved ones of Anthony Huber, 26-year-old man reportedly killed Tuesday

Loved ones of Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old Kenosha man killed Tuesday during demonstrations following the shooting of Jacob Blake, are calling him a "hero."

journaltimes.com

Can you rewrite that? I've read it 5 times and am not sure what you are saying. The skateboard doesn't count for what? You can just hit people with skateboards if they are carrying guns?

 

[Archie Moses]

If you have any evidence that Mr. Huber, the man with the skateboard, chasing down the kid who just shot someone, was part of a mob beating the kid, could you post it for us? And, no, the skateboard does not count. He was trying to take the guy out before he shot others, and was then himself killed by the kid. Fair game my ***. Let’s see your proof that Huber was beating on the kid. Let’s see your proof that he was looting, destroying, doing anything other than peacefully protesting.

2 GoFundMe fundraisers set up by loved ones of Anthony Huber, 26-year-old man reportedly killed Tuesday

Loved ones of Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old Kenosha man killed Tuesday during demonstrations following the shooting of Jacob Blake, are calling him a "hero."

journaltimes.com

I don't think he was looting but there's video of him with a group confrontin all the dudes with guns and yelling/swearing at them.

I think he saw a bunch of people running after the kid and heard others saying to get him and maybe an incredibly poor choice that I can see being as heroic as well and smashed the kid with a riffle on the head with his skateboard.

The kid with the gun thought he was doing good and protecting the city.

The victims thought they were doing good by protesting at night and being confrontational and destructive. They were up to no good.

Both extremists that are not helping our country or their causes at all.

 

[Beer]

If you have any evidence that Mr. Huber, the man with the skateboard, chasing down the kid who just shot someone, was part of a mob beating the kid, could you post it for us? And, no, the skateboard does not count. He was trying to take the guy out before he shot others, and was then himself killed by the kid. Fair game my ***. Let’s see your proof that Huber was beating on the kid. Let’s see your proof that he was looting, destroying, doing anything other than peacefully protesting.

2 GoFundMe fundraisers set up by loved ones of Anthony Huber, 26-year-old man reportedly killed Tuesday

Loved ones of Anthony Huber, a 26-year-old Kenosha man killed Tuesday during demonstrations following the shooting of Jacob Blake, are calling him a "hero."

journaltimes.com

Trying to find good video the details everything in order.

So far though.

1. Group of people chasing the 17 year old. No shots have been fired yet.

2. Guy that got shot in the arm was standing over him with a drawn pistol before he was shot. So, idiots with guns being idiots. Don't feel bad for that guy or the 17 year old. Idiots.

3.. 17 year old is on the ground, guy comes running in and tries to kick him in the head, a shot is fired into the air. Then skateboard guy comes in and hits him with skateboards and jumps on him.

4. Video does not cuts out during the deaths, I assume because it is a local news channel posting the video. I'll edit and update when I can find the video of those deaths but so far its a group of dumbasses attacking a guy with a gun and then getting shot at. Seems like self defense to me.

 

[Eminence]

@Beer

I believe you're missing the 1st shooting from your timeline. He's already shot and killed someone by the time that whole scenario you've laid out goes down.

Here's a rough outline from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

 

[LogGrad98]

Can you rewrite that? I've read it 5 times and am not sure what you are saying. The skateboard doesn't count for what? You can just hit people with skateboards if they are carrying guns?

The short answer is, yes, if you think they are a threat. In fact, **** yes, smash their ****ing face if you can, if they are threatening and carrying a gun.

Here is the problem with unbridled gun use (well, a problem, among many): once the bullets start to fly, or someone appears threatening and are holding a gun, how is anyone supposed to know who the "good guy" and who the "bad guy" is. If I saw someone running willy-nilly through the streets carrying a gun, especially if he had already started shooting, I am not going to immediately think "oh, that guy is obviously defending himself against multiple assailants, I better help him out". No, with limited knowledge of the situation you just walked into, the rational thought is "holy ****, this is an active shooter situation as we have seen and heard drilled into us time and time again, that guy it a threat!" And the rational response is to...well, it is to run away, but if you feel you can and need to help defend others, or if you are just a nihilist like me, then maybe you go in swinging hoping to bring the guy down, even if what you have available to swing is just a skateboard.

See, just like the whole problem with "arm-chair QB-ing" the police, that we cannot know what they were facing/thinking/feeling when they were in the difficult situations, the same applies here. We cannot know what these guys were all thinking. My bet is, most thought this kid with the AR was a threat, and they went at it rather than doing the rational thing and running away. Does not mean they deserve to be shot down.

 

[Beer]

The short answer is, yes, if you think they are a threat. In fact, **** yes, smash their ****ing face if you can, if they are threatening and carrying a gun.

Here is the problem with unbridled gun use (well, a problem, among many): once the bullets start to fly, or someone appears threatening and are holding a gun, how is anyone supposed to know who the "good guy" and who the "bad guy" is. If I saw someone running willy-nilly through the streets carrying a gun, especially if he had already started shooting, I am not going to immediately think "oh, that guy is obviously defending himself against multiple assailants, I better help him out". No, with limited knowledge of the situation you just walked into, the rational thought is "holy ****, this is an active shooter situation as we have seen and heard drilled into us time and time again, that guy it a threat!" And the rational response is to...well, it is to run away, but if you feel you can and need to help defend others, or if you are just a nihilist like me, then maybe you go in swinging hoping to bring the guy down, even if what you have available to swing is just a skateboard.

See, just like the whole problem with "arm-chair QB-ing" the police, that we cannot know what they were facing/thinking/feeling when they were in the difficult situations, the same applies here. We cannot know what these guys were all thinking. My bet is, most thought this kid with the AR was a threat, and they went at it rather than doing the rational thing and running away. Does not mean they deserve to be shot down.

@Beer

I believe you're missing the 1st shooting from your timeline. He's already shot and killed someone by the time that whole scenario you've laid out goes down.

Here's a rough outline from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

Appreciate it. Lays it out a bit better.

I'd like to see video of the first shooting, and who got shot, but it does say someone went after him first. Now how dangerous that person seemed, whether they were armed with anything also, etc .... will determine a lot at trial.

The 2nd round of shootings appear to be self defense but I'll hold my opinion on the first shooting until there is a clearer picture.

 

[fishonjazz]

Can you rewrite that? I've read it 5 times and am not sure what you are saying. The skateboard doesn't count for what? You can just hit people with skateboards if they are carrying guns?

If I saw someone on the street shooting at people and I had a skateboard (or anything else I could use) handy then I would definitely try to hit the shooter with it hoping to prevent more people from getting shot.

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[Beer]

The short answer is, yes, if you think they are a threat. In fact, **** yes, smash their ****ing face if you can, if they are threatening and carrying a gun.

Here is the problem with unbridled gun use (well, a problem, among many): once the bullets start to fly, or someone appears threatening and are holding a gun, how is anyone supposed to know who the "good guy" and who the "bad guy" is. If I saw someone running willy-nilly through the streets carrying a gun, especially if he had already started shooting, I am not going to immediately think "oh, that guy is obviously defending himself against multiple assailants, I better help him out". No, with limited knowledge of the situation you just walked into, the rational thought is "holy ****, this is an active shooter situation as we have seen and heard drilled into us time and time again, that guy it a threat!" And the rational response is to...well, it is to run away, but if you feel you can and need to help defend others, or if you are just a nihilist like me, then maybe you go in swinging hoping to bring the guy down, even if what you have available to swing is just a skateboard.

See, just like the whole problem with "arm-chair QB-ing" the police, that we cannot know what they were facing/thinking/feeling when they were in the difficult situations, the same applies here. We cannot know what these guys were all thinking. My bet is, most thought this kid with the AR was a threat, and they went at it rather than doing the rational thing and running away. Does not mean they deserve to be shot down.

I agree with almost everything you said except your first sentence. Someone carrying a gun, which is legal, does not give you license to attack them. Unless your end goal is to get shot in the face. I do not own guns, I do not like guns, I think this idiot did go out looking for an opportunity to shoot someone an unfortunately a few people gave him the reason he was looking for.

 

[Beer]

If I saw someone on the street shooting at people and I had a skateboard (or anything else I could use) handy then I would definitely try to hit the shooter with it hoping to prevent more people from getting shot.

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And that is noble and you have that right, but if you get shot then imo, you're kind of asking for it. Now if this was some type of mass shooter situation then things are different, but this was not that type of thing.

 

[Eminence]

Appreciate it. Lays it out a bit better.

I'd like to see video of the first shooting, and who got shot, but it does say someone went after him first. Now how dangerous that person seemed, whether they were armed with anything also, etc .... will determine a lot at trial.

The 2nd round of shootings appear to be self defense but I'll hold my opinion on the first shooting until there is a clearer picture.

I haven't watched any of the videos (I'm tired of watching fools shoot each other), but I've heard the 1st guy was kind of a nutcase yelling at everyone to shoot him through the night. Suicide by vigilante type thing.

 

[Beer]

I haven't watched any of the videos (I'm tired of watching fools shoot each other), but I've heard the 1st guy was kind of a nutcase yelling at everyone to shoot him through the night. Suicide by vigilante type thing.

2 groups of delusional sociopaths and guns never ends well.

 

[Avery]

I'm pretty miffed at the videos that have shown the police giving these militia guys water and basically the greenlight to do what they want. You can't outsource protection to untrained and unvetted individuals and expect it to go well - look at how many atrocities occurred in Iraq when Bush and Co. gave Blackwater a fat contract and how much **** they stirred up.

Protesting isn't about creating anarchy and people that are do so often do it to further themselves vs. enrich a cause, but tossing powderkegs together like this is going to continue to lead to more events.

 

[Archie Moses]

So many dumb asses.

@Beer
This shows it all.

 

[Beer]

I'm pretty miffed at the videos that have shown the police giving these militia guys water and basically the greenlight to do what they want. You can't outsource protection to untrained and unvetted individuals and expect it to go well - look at how many atrocities occurred in Iraq when Bush and Co. gave Blackwater a fat contract and how much **** they stirred up.

Protesting isn't about creating anarchy and people that are do so often do it to further themselves vs. enrich a cause, but tossing powderkegs together like this is going to continue to lead to more events.

I don't necessarily agree with it but I understand it. These redneck dumbasses are out there to "help the police". To restore order. Now I don't think they are doing that because they are idiots just like these faux BLM morons but they at least pretend to be helping the police. I can get why the police are ok with them. I think its fake AF and they aren't helping anything. But I get why the police are more cool with them than the BLM people.

 

[The Thriller]

I haven't watched any of the videos (I'm tired of watching fools shoot each other), but I've heard the 1st guy was kind of a nutcase yelling at everyone to shoot him through the night. Suicide by vigilante type thing.

I think There’s a difference between people protesting against racism and police brutality vs white supremacy. One side errors in execution the other side errors in morality. I don’t think the looting helps just like I don’t think ending the NBA season helps. Those frustrated with current system and desire to tear things down for the betterment of society. Looting for systemic change is wrong. Their intentions are correct but their execution is flawed.

While there is nothing redeemable in white supremacy. That 17 year old could only make things worse. Everything I’ve read about says he was a white supremacist looking to kill people. There is nothing redeemable with his intentions or execution.

I think most of us admit that systemic racism and police brutality must be destroyed and looting is a poor way of accomplishing this.
I also think most of us admit that white supremacy in any form accomplishes nothing to be proud about.

I don’t think the two sides are comparable. I think comparing the two sides as being equal and being equally wrong only perpetuates the white supremacy that started this whole thing.

 

[Archie Moses]

I haven't watched any of the videos (I'm tired of watching fools shoot each other), but I've heard the 1st guy was kind of a nutcase yelling at everyone to shoot him through the night. Suicide by vigilante type thing.

He wasn't saying shoot me because he wanted to be shot. He was saying, "shot me *insert n-word*" over and over again trying to act like a bad *** that was going to beat someone's ***. Mind you, he was saying this in front of a bunch of black dudes and it was really awkward.

Acting like a hard *** literally got him killed.

 

[Archie Moses]

I think There’s a difference between people protesting against racism and police brutality vs white supremacy. One side errors in execution the other side errors in morality. I don’t think the looting helps just like I don’t think ending the NBA season helps. Those frustrated with current system and desire to tear things down for the betterment of society. Looting for systemic change is wrong. Their intentions are correct but their execution is flawed.

While there is nothing redeemable in white supremacy. That 17 year old could only make things worse. Everything I’ve read about says he was a white supremacist looking to kill people. There is nothing redeemable with his intentions or execution.

I think most of us admit that systemic racism and police brutality must be destroyed and looting is a poor way of accomplishing this.
I also think most of us admit that white supremacy in any form accomplishes nothing to be proud about.

I don’t think the two sides are comparable. I think comparing the two sides as being equal and being equally wrong only perpetuates the white supremacy that started this whole thing.

You keep bringing up white supremacists and saying Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist but where are you getting this information?

 

[Eminence]

He wasn't saying shoot me because he wanted to be shot. He was saying, "shot me *insert n-word*" over and over again trying to act like a bad *** that was going to beat someone's ***. Mind you, he was saying this in front of a bunch of black dudes and it was really awkward.

Acting like a hard *** literally got him killed.

That's a fair enough interpretation as well.