My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.

[campaignist]

Someone that knows more than me about the cap and draft should tell us their thoughts about the idea of trading Gobert straight up to the Wolves for the #1 pick.

I think there's enough there to maybe think about it. But maybe I'm a big idiot. Well, I'm definitely a big idiot.

noooope. A) the Wolves have towns and he's a legit 5. rudy would be a terrible fit. b) please dear god if they trade rudy, trade him east. im so sick of helping western rivals and how competitive it is

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Someone that knows more than me about the cap and draft should tell us their thoughts about the idea of trading Gobert straight up to the Wolves for the #1 pick.

I think there's enough there to maybe think about it. But maybe I'm a big idiot. Well, I'm definitely a big idiot.

Wolves can't do it... this draft is *** at the top... I honestly would rather trade for the guy I wanted after he's picked... the 1st pick gets paid more than he's worth this year imo.

I'm not fully on the trade Rudy train... if we did I'd target young bigs, a good wing, and some picks in future drafts that have limited or no protection. Chicago for Carter Jr, OP Jr., and their pick next year unprotected... some nonsense like that.

 

[green]

Thats a good way to put it. We need some flexibility. Good shooting and playmaking wings give you that... guys who can't shoot or create will remove some of that.

If you can find a way to keep Rudy around the basket and get more out of your perimeter guys through getting steals or pressuring up on shooters then great. Every year we seem to get ourselves in the same matchup issue where "these guys can get Rudy is space" its fine and he functions okay there but it takes away an advantage we kinda bank on.

I would probably negotiate really hard if I was DL and move on if we couldn't agree... realizing we might lose more games next year but have a better shot in the playoffs or a better future outlook - depends on what's out there for Rudy in trade. We don't negotiate hard... we care more about the players feelings... so we likely max him out and head down the path of mediocrity.

I think the biggest problem with Rudy is the problem you have with AK. Elite talents on one end of the floor...the problem is, chicks dig players who score the basketball. You make All Star games by scoring. You get commercials because you score. Rudy wants to score.

Like AK, are you going to give Gobert the money he wants knowing that 1)it's a player's league and if he wants to score, you have to find a way to let him score and 2) If he doesn't score, his effort goes way down and suddenly he's not great on either end of the floor and you have 1/3 of your payroll wrapped up in that.

 

[David Hume]

Imagine a Jazz team with Mitchell and Embiid. Imagine a Sixers team with Simmons and Gobert. Such a trade would likely never happen, the Sixers would be worse shooters than they are now, but both teams need to improve, so even crazy sounding ideas at least have to be mulled over. We won big by trading Exum for Clarkson, and we won big by trading bits and pieces to Denver for Mitchell and Gobert, so a creative trade doesn’t sound like the worst idea to me.

 

[LoPo]

I think the Nets are an interesting trade partner for Gobert. They are an impatient franchise with a lot on the line. Gobert fits next to Kyrie and KD pretty well. Maybe they would overpay for Gobert since their window is right now. I'd be interested in...

LaVert ($16.2)
Dinwiddie ($11.4)
Prince ($14)
Allen ($3.9)
Musa ($2)
#19

Gobert + Ed Davis for some combination of the above? Maybe even get them to throw in some way down the future 1st round pick with light protections?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm not gung-ho on trading Gobert, by the way. I just think that there's enough reasons at this point (upcoming contract expiration/reup/supermax deal contrasted with that he's not been terrific in the playoffs, his limitations as a player, and the relationship with Donovan) to have it on the table.

 

[green]

I'm not gung-ho on trading Gobert, by the way. I just think that there's enough reasons at this point (upcoming contract expiration/reup/supermax deal contrasted with that he's not been terrific in the playoffs, his limitations as a player, and the relationship with Donovan) to have it on the table.

I like Gobert as a player. But I worry about his limitations on offense, his big contract and does his effort falter if he doesn't get a lot of touches on offense? If I have to choose between Mitchell and Gobert, it's an easy decision and it's not Gobert.

 

[green]

Every year, there is a Gobert that pops up and defends like crazy. This year Whiteside had a PER of 25, 15 pts, 13 rebs, 3 blocks. Jokic was 25 PER, 20 pts, 9 rebs and 0.5 blocks. Mitchell Robinson was 10 points, 7 rebs and 2 blocks (23 mins/gm) with a PER of 23. Montrezl Harrell was 23 PER, 19 pts, 7 rebs and 1 block with LAC. Drummond was 17 pts, 11 rebs, 2 blocks with a 22 PER. Vucevic was 22 PER, 20 pts, 11 rebs, 1 block. Gobert was 22 PER, 15 pts, 14 rebs and 2 blocks.

I'm not sure Gobert is a player you max out. The overall value just isn't there.

 

[LoPo]

I don't want to trade Gobert, but I'd rather trade him than overpay him. Like @green is saying, Gobert isn't some kind of unicorn. And I'm definitely concerned about that limited big man drop off that all of them seem to go through. Dwight, DAndre Jordan and guys like that just seem to hit a wall in their late 20's and become unplayable in many matchups. He's 28.

My favorite part of Rudy is his passion for winning here in Utah. He could go down as a club legend if he gave some home team discount. I hope that ends up being the case.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Yea we won't trade Gobert.

But getting a haul for him and getting Favors back to replace him would get me excited.

 

[DasJazz]

Quin has been okay... so has DL. I do think the moment referenced was tough. I also think Quin gets a lot of credit for being some mad scientist and honestly he doesn't try enough stuff. The defense works when Rudy anchors it, but no one else can execute the scheme... so why don't you have a couple. Try some switching stuff... try some different personnel (he wasn't working with a full deck I know).

The fact that he sits on his challenges and doesn't ask for reviews of hostile acts in key moments is weird. Rudy gets hit in the face no call... ask for a review of a hostile act... it likely isn't deemed as such but the ref sees he clearly ****ed up a call and maybe he gives you the benefit of the doubt on the next one. Make up calls exist... these guys are human. Not getting the challenge in on the Ingles charge was awful... only saves a point but its still a point. It was in the 4th quarter.. the **** you waiting for Quin.

He might be awesome at some of the complex stuff but some of the basic **** ups leave me scratching my head sometimes.

Point taken. However, Quin clearly tried to challenge that specific call and you can overhear the ref saying "I gave you a chance already." To me, since the next play hadn't started yet that should be a suspension type of action for the referee.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Point taken. However, Quin clearly tried to challenge that specific call and you can overhear the ref saying "I gave you a chance already." To me, since the next play hadn't started yet that should be a suspension type of action for the referee.

But he also should have done it immediately... what was he waiting for? He will sit with them in his pocket all the damn time. Its a minor tool but for hells sake use it once in a while. In general I think he doesn't work the refs enough.