My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.




LoPo

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Griffin is a good playmaker 4 as well. Something Snyder has really wanted. He also isn't someone you can switch a small guy onto. He can bully a small defender and punish teams for going small on him. His defense is not great in the regular season but in the playoffs he generally is passable.
If they were on the same contract, I take Griffin all day over Conley. The pros far outweigh the cons. If Griffin plays like 2018-19, we are legit title contenders.

In order to take Griffin's $39 million in 21-22, Detroit would have to send us Doumbouya. I'm huge on that kid. He's a future Siakim.

Conley, Ed Davis, and Bradley ($43) for Griffin and Doumbouya ($40).

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jom2003

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If they were on the same contract, I take Griffin all day over Conley. The pros far outweigh the cons. If Griffin plays like 2018-19, we are legit title contenders.

In order to take Griffin's $39 million in 21-22, Detroit would have to send us Doumbouya. I'm huge on that kid. He's a future Siakim.

Conley, Ed Davis, and Bradley ($43) for Griffin and Doumbouya ($40).

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If the pistons throw in Doumbouya to sweeten the deal, I'd be much more willing to take on griffin’s contract. The Jazz DESPERATELY need a project on the wing. Dynamic wings don't grow on trees as they often require at least a season or two to develop. And we simply don't have the money or market to attract grown wings like Jerami Grant or OG from FA. So the jazz need to start their own project on growing a few dynamic wings for themselves either via the draft, international FA, or G league. To do that you need solid wing prospects who you’d know they can turn into something one to two seasons down the road. So 2021 could become our timeline to start compete again when we have developed a solid wing like Doumbouya whos locked up for cheap
 

David Stern

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You’re telling me there are zero ways? With confidence?

You can always play the what if game, I just can't think of anything that the Jazz could've/would've realistically done to sign Bogey as a FA if they had Smart's salary on the books
 

Ujfanatic

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Again, by RPM, Gobert was better than both George and Davis this year.

Davis, Kuzma, Green, Caruso, KCP, Howard, Morris is pretty clearly worse than Gobert, Ingles, Clarkson, Conley, Bogey, Bradley.

And yet the Lakers won 8 more games.90% of the difference is LeBron vs Mitchell, not 2-8 on the roster.

Well, RPM isn’t a very useful statistic then. According to RPM, Duncan Robinson is the 12th best player in the league, better than his teammates Bam and Butler.

When taking some social science statistic classes in grad school, a useful exercise when evaluating a finding is this: does it make sense? Occasionally statistics will “prove“ something unexpected (that, after all, is their value). Much of the time, however, an unexpected finding tells you more about the statistic itself then it does about what it is trying to measure. If your analysis tells you that Rudy Gobert is better than Anthony Davis, I think it’s time for a deep dive into that statistic.
 

homeytennis

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Yes ****ing please. And Conley is from Indiana iirc. Get er ****ing done.
Speaking of Griffin, I'm speaking of former summer league and Stars player Eric Griffin, he signed a deal yesterday with a team in Israel. Every where the guy goes he scores in the teens and gets 7-8 boards a game.
 

Cptgrnlngs22

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If I was GM I’d make three trades and two signings. Trade conley and a 1st for OPJ and White. Trade Gobert for Brown. Trade Bradley, Davis and a couple 2nds for Favors. Resign JC and sign a backup center with part of the mid.

Mitchell
Brown
Bogie
OPJ
Favs

Coby
JC
Joe
FA




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MCarter

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If I was GM I’d make three trades and two signings. Trade conley and a 1st for OPJ and White. Trade Gobert for Brown. Trade Bradley, Davis and a couple 2nds for Favors. Resign JC and sign a backup center with part of the mid.

Mitchell
Brown
Bogie
OPJ
Favs

Coby
JC
Joe
FA




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Love that roster. Highly doubt we get brown for Gobert though, and favors doesn’t physically have it in him to play full starting min.
 

campaignist

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Here's what I'd like to see on the floor at all times:

2 scorers - Mitchell and Bojan
2 ball handlers - Joe and Mitchell
1 big - Rudy/Favors (especially to cover up Bojan's lack of defense and rebounding)
1 misc - a 3 and D like Royce, another scorer/shooter like Clarkson, an energy guy like Morgan.

I'm of the opinion at this point Conley would only be effective as a backup.
 

Joncolton

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Plan is of course to see if Giannis doesn't sign his supermax deal, and then move the pieces to sign him. Justin Zanik was the GM there, so the Jazz should have the inside track (ha!) and with Mitchell-Giannis-Gobert as our core, any free agent who is a shooter will be willing to come here for less. Our defense will be #1 in the NBA, and our offense will be rolling as well. They can three-peat and then we'll surround the Stockton and Malone statues with 3 more players and have a complete team in front of the arena.
 

Ron Mexico

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Plan is of course to see if Giannis doesn't sign his supermax deal, and then move the pieces to sign him. Justin Zanik was the GM there, so the Jazz should have the inside track (ha!) and with Mitchell-Giannis-Gobert as our core, any free agent who is a shooter will be willing to come here for less. Our defense will be #1 in the NBA, and our offense will be rolling as well. They can three-peat and then we'll surround the Stockton and Malone statues with 3 more players and have a complete team in front of the arena.

I dont think it is possible to move enough pieces to create room for Giannis to be signed as a FA. I guess maybe its possible but that would be completely gutting the team on a extremely slim to impossible chance of landing him. If he isnt going to sign his supermax with the Bucks he will get traded next year. I guess you could go after him then and take that chance. Although I dont think we have anywhere near the trade chips to get Giannis, even if by miracle Giannis demands a trade here.

Edit:
But it would be fun to have those three play together! Although I think Giannis fits better with 4 shooters, but I guess the defense would be amazing and we could make it work as long as the other 2 positions were excellent shooters.
 

Cptgrnlngs22

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How much is Derek Jones Jr going to be looking to get this Off season?

Would he be attainable with the BAE? Or would we need to use our mid-level to sign him?

I’m just wondering if it’s possible to get him any favors both.


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Handlogten's Heros

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2019 Award Winner
Super duper boring luke warm prediction...

We sign John Henson to a minimum deal as a backup... While I know this will make all of you extremely flaccid... he is going to be cheap. He gets blocked shots... he is fine in the pick and roll as a roll man... he gets some steals. He's a definite defensive improvement over TB and might do better as a roll man.

We also sign Kent Bazemore.... active wing, gets steals, can shoot a little, played for Quin before in Atlanta. He gets minimum or BAE.

We re-sign Jordan Clarkson and move Ed or TB with a 2nd round pick to avoid the tax.

Boring as hell but probably makes us a hair better... maybe a g league guy or rookie pops like Lu Dort or something.
 

infection

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Super duper boring luke warm prediction...

We sign John Henson to a minimum deal as a backup... While I know this will make all of you extremely flaccid... he is going to be cheap. He gets blocked shots... he is fine in the pick and roll as a roll man... he gets some steals. He's a definite defensive improvement over TB and might do better as a roll man.

We also sign Kent Bazemore.... active wing, gets steals, can shoot a little, played for Quin before in Atlanta. He gets minimum or BAE.

We re-sign Jordan Clarkson and move Ed or TB with a 2nd round pick to avoid the tax.

Boring as hell but probably makes us a hair better... maybe a g league guy or rookie pops like Lu Dort or something.
And we all eventually convince ourselves they’re brilliant moves.
 

Handlogten's Heros

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2019 Award Winner
And we all eventually convince ourselves they’re brilliant moves.
I actually kind of like it... but I can also see this type of offseason littered with DL quotes about "being aggressive at the trade deadline" and "being active in the buyout market". Then saying nothing that fit came across his desk.
 

infection

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I actually kind of like it... but I can also see this type of offseason littered with DL quotes about "being aggressive at the trade deadline" and "being active in the buyout market". Then saying nothing that fit came across his desk.
Different strategies on being aggressive. Some businesses operate by leveraging assets and recognizing the need for debt utilization for growth. Risky, sometimes, obviously, but that's part of the game. Then you would have more conservative and cautious business types who don't make a move unless all their ducks are in a row. Obviously can be wise, as well. For instance, teams walking into free agency with no cap space may offer a max contract to a player, then figure out how to make it happen if/when they accept. The more conservative takes a look at where they're at and says "we don't have money/cap to offer this contract," and so the option is never on the table. Of course, having the cap is a prerequisite. But there's a paradox here because one would have to be unreasonably unwise to go out and create that cap room before having any assurance that the plan can come into fruition. So because they're not willing to make a decision to open a door of possibility (a reasonable option), that option can't be there. And because making an offer for something they don't have available at the time goes against their principles, it makes it an easy defense for the critique of "why not?" But, ultimately, the options may be on the table. We've just superficially refused to open the windows. This way we can be forced to stay within a certain defined course, while also laying claim to "our hands were tied, look at our situation, we had no options." This is a fine strategy until one remembers that this is all for a game that's based on competition, taking risks, and with the ultimate goal of coming out on top.

This is partially why I hope Miami wins it all. Riley walks into the deadline with no assets and no cap space and walks out with a chip. But, by all means, 'slow and steady.'
 

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