My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.

[Bawse Dawg]

Here's a question. Some peolpe here describe the Conley trade as the worst trade of the decade in the NBA(and Im not that far from agreeing with it)... DL got the time and chance to build up that team and had a several playoff runs with a couple different iterations of that team, but he never managed to build good enough roster to be true contender. So the question here is ... if we are going to go into a rebuild, do we want DL leading that rebuild or do we want someone else? I don't think this is an easy question to answer. I don't think DL has done a bad job with this team(and there are plenty worse GMs in the league), but when the time came for him to put the finishing touches on this roster he miserably failed. Conley has been atrocious trade, Ed Davis, Jeff Green and Mudiay were zeros for this team when playoff time came...

Root for the Thunder tonight. Maybe we can poach Morey.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Third?

Well, I assumed you followed my idea of trading the 2nd for the 3rd and a hornets young player... Or I miss typed the number.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Here's a question. Some peolpe here describe the Conley trade as the worst trade of the decade in the NBA(and Im not that far from agreeing with it)... DL got the time and chance to build up that team and had a several playoff runs with a couple different iterations of that team, but he never managed to build good enough roster to be true contender. So the question here is ... if we are going to go into a rebuild, do we want DL leading that rebuild or do we want someone else? I don't think this is an easy question to answer. I don't think DL has done a bad job with this team(and there are plenty worse GMs in the league), but when the time came for him to put the finishing touches on this roster he miserably failed. Conley has been atrocious trade, Ed Davis, Jeff Green and Mudiay were zeros for this team when playoff time came...

1. This roster wasnt fully healthy. Missing the 2nd leading scorer is a big deal
2. Mudiay was never added with playoffs in mind. He was a regular season depth addition and he played well for that.

 

[Ron Mexico]

We don't have the ability for any big moves... I think if they were willing to move Conley for OPJ, that'd be pretty huge.

Lol

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don't have the ability for any big moves. I think a couple tweaks can help. I think if they were willing to move Conley for OPJ, that'd be pretty huge. Not a ton of incentive from Chicago's end, but certainly an argument if they wanted to make a push that having Conley lead the team would have more benefit than a secondary guy like OPJ. Could look at a three-way or maybe throwing in a piece like Tucker as a bone to Chicago.

Solve the backup big situation. You can do that with either Favors or Udoh. It doesn't matter. Bring back Neto. Let Ingles be the PG, whether that's starting or bench. But OPJ solves a lot of starting unit issues.

Mitchell
Royce
Bojan
OPJ
Gobert

Dunn?
Clarkson
Ingles
Udoh/Favors

I think all three ways have to involve Philly. I think if Mike is move it is to Philly and either Tobias or Horford is going out to a third team. Mike is kinda exactly what Philly needs... well as good as they will get with their crappy contracts.

I could see Chicago being interested in Tobias or Al so the three way might work. Will DL trade his pride though... he will not.

 

[stitches]

1. This roster wasnt fully healthy. Missing the 2nd leading scorer is a big deal
2. Mudiay was never added with playoffs in mind. He was a regular season depth addition and he played well for that.

We did miss Bogdanovic but I don't think he changes a ton in this grand scheme of things.
Mudiay was included in that list simply to emphasize just how poorly built our bench is. We had like... 6 and a half players you can be happy to put in a playoff game.

 

[infection]

I think all three ways have to involve Philly. I think if Mike is move it is to Philly and either Tobias or Horford is going out to a third team. Mike is kinda exactly what Philly needs... well as good as they will get with their crappy contracts.

I could see Chicago being interested in Tobias or Al so the three way might work. Will DL trade his pride though... he will not.

Would be great if he would. OPJ adds a lot in positional flexibility and defense and, honestly, may be a wash offensively, if not improved because he's an off-ball guy who can light up from the outside.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We did miss Bogdanovic but I don't think he changes a ton in this grand scheme of things.
Mudiay was included in that list simply to emphasize just how poorly built our bench is. We had like... 6 and a half players you can be happy to put in a playoff game.

The bench sucked because of Davis/Green not panning out and Bojan getting injured. The Mudiay signing was completely fine and overall a good move.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont know why yall think the Jazz have no ability for big moves. They have Bogey, a guy coming off a career year and a solid deal and Conley's giant expiring. They can definitely make moves, I'm just not sure it's the right move.

 

[homeytennis]

We did miss Bogdanovic but I don't think he changes a ton in this grand scheme of things.
Mudiay was included in that list simply to emphasize just how poorly built our bench is. We had like... 6 and a half players you can be happy to put in a playoff game.

You had players like NWG, Oni, Tucker, Brantley, JWF, Bradley and Mudiay gather dust during a series we lost. If they aren't prospects waive them. Then DL can keep baking that kak.

 

[infection]

I think all three ways have to involve Philly. I think if Mike is move it is to Philly and either Tobias or Horford is going out to a third team. Mike is kinda exactly what Philly needs... well as good as they will get with their crappy contracts.

I could see Chicago being interested in Tobias or Al so the three way might work. Will DL trade his pride though... he will not.

Also OPJ was a guy DL has wanted previously... not that he necessarily coveted him as much as Conley, but maybe that could give him a nudge.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here's a question. Some peolpe here describe the Conley trade as the worst trade of the decade in the NBA(and Im not that far from agreeing with it)... DL got the time and chance to build up that team and had a several playoff runs with a couple different iterations of that team, but he never managed to build good enough roster to be true contender. So the question here is ... if we are going to go into a rebuild, do we want DL leading that rebuild or do we want someone else? I don't think this is an easy question to answer. I don't think DL has done a bad job with this team(and there are plenty worse GMs in the league), but when the time came for him to put the finishing touches on this roster he miserably failed. Conley has been atrocious trade, Ed Davis, Jeff Green and Mudiay were zeros for this team when playoff time came...

He's just too slow to do deals and gets fixated on one dude sometimes. When Memphis screwed us the year before we should have really lowered the buying price significantly. We did not. We weren't really bidding against other teams... so why bid against ourselves.

The strange Ingles extension was just weird... If he wanted one extra year great but it won't be at 14M okay?

He has some high horse, "we do things the right way" views that may not always work out well in a dog-eat-dog biz.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also OPJ was a guy DL has wanted previously... not that he necessarily coveted him as much as Conley, but maybe that could give him a nudge.

I think DL looks up his old girlfriends on facebook a lot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I dont know why yall think the Jazz have no ability for big moves. They have Bogey, a guy coming off a career year and a solid deal and Conley's giant expiring. They can definitely make moves, I'm just not sure it's the right move.

We have some ammo... we won't trade Bojan because he was successful... Conley deal is clearly something DL won't give up on so we likely don't change that either.

Who knows what is out there but I don't think we really will go out looking for it. DL really likes to give things too much time.

 

[Strutter]

I know there's a pay disparity here, and that's important, but it's still strange to me that Conley is the main target of everyone's ire after his relatively solid performance in the bubble, and people seem to be ignoring how much the disappearance of Ingles and Royce hurt us.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If GS dangles the #2 pick for Rudy do you laugh them off the phone or listen?

If the Jazz could get #1 and #17 from Minnesota in a three-team deal, I'd listen. Not sure I'd pull the trigger.
If the Jazz were offered a deal that included #4 and Lauri Markkanen from Chicago, I'd listen. Still not sure I'd do it.

I like Wiseman and Okoro at the top of this draft.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Does Conley even have any value at this point?

He's a good player, a great mentor for a young, up-and-coming guard, and a good locker-room guy on an expiring deal.
For a team like the Knicks that lacks credibility around the league, he's a guy you'd bring in.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I know there's a pay disparity here, and that's important, but it's still strange to me that Conley is the main target of everyone's ire after his relatively solid performance in the bubble, and people seem to be ignoring how much the disappearance of Ingles and Royce hurt us.

Royce and Ingles aren't paid $32M/year.
Mitchell drew almost the entire defensive focus of the Nuggets last night. Conley should have been able to make some more plays. That's what he was brought in for. I don't mind keeping him, but his lack of size on the defensive end also hurts our team defense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Conley haters are ****ing morons lmao

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I dont know why yall think the Jazz have no ability for big moves. They have Bogey, a guy coming off a career year and a solid deal and Conley's giant expiring. They can definitely make moves, I'm just not sure it's the right move.

Royce has some value too, but it would take a lot for the Jazz to consider moving him.