My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Does Conley even have any value at this point?

He's a good player, a great mentor for a young, up-and-coming guard, and a good locker-room guy on an expiring deal.
For a team like the Knicks that lacks credibility around the league, he's a guy you'd bring in.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I know there's a pay disparity here, and that's important, but it's still strange to me that Conley is the main target of everyone's ire after his relatively solid performance in the bubble, and people seem to be ignoring how much the disappearance of Ingles and Royce hurt us.

Royce and Ingles aren't paid $32M/year.
Mitchell drew almost the entire defensive focus of the Nuggets last night. Conley should have been able to make some more plays. That's what he was brought in for. I don't mind keeping him, but his lack of size on the defensive end also hurts our team defense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Conley haters are ****ing morons lmao

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I dont know why yall think the Jazz have no ability for big moves. They have Bogey, a guy coming off a career year and a solid deal and Conley's giant expiring. They can definitely make moves, I'm just not sure it's the right move.

Royce has some value too, but it would take a lot for the Jazz to consider moving him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Royce has some value too, but it would take a lot for the Jazz to consider moving him.

There's just no point in moving Royce. He's a good 5th option in lineups and can hit 3's. He is fairly paid. Hopefully he can take another step and be a more willing shooter.

 

[Bodhi]

The Conley haters are ****ing morons lmao

I mean, there are levels to this, no?

I dont hate the guy for hate sake. I def dont like his fit with this team in a backcourt with Donovan who is also small. I feel confident our team is better when Donovan has the ball and he's at PG.

So all those factors, on top of paying him a metric **** ton of money, doesnt make me "hate" him.......I just dont like his fit on the team at all and think those resources should be allocated at other positions.

 

[Roy_McAvoy]

Here's a post for some reality. If the Jazz don't move Conley, this is what your roster looks like in 2021. There's 0 flexibility because the Jazz will be way over the salary cap and stuck with poor roster. The salary cap is expected to be $115mm. The Jazz will be paying luxury tax with this roster. It's bad.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Here's a question. Some peolpe here describe the Conley trade as the worst trade of the decade in the NBA(and Im not that far from agreeing with it)... DL got the time and chance to build up that team and had a several playoff runs with a couple different iterations of that team, but he never managed to build good enough roster to be true contender. So the question here is ... if we are going to go into a rebuild, do we want DL leading that rebuild or do we want someone else? I don't think this is an easy question to answer. I don't think DL has done a bad job with this team(and there are plenty worse GMs in the league), but when the time came for him to put the finishing touches on this roster he miserably failed. Conley has been atrocious trade, Ed Davis, Jeff Green and Mudiay were zeros for this team when playoff time came...

And Bojan. For all of his good, he is a 31-year old that got signed for four years at $18 million a season and he is bad at basically everything besides scoring.

It was a contextually good signing: you’re buying four years of Bojan for two years of good Bojan in a meaningful two-year win-now mode prior to Gobert, Mitchell, and Conley‘s, contract expirations. We needed a versatile and potent scorer at the forward positions. Only problem is Conley brought redundant positives (good scorer) and negatives (bad defender), which means the positives run into diminishing returns and the negatives get multiplied.

We didn’t need Conley is the long and short of it, and with both it is more of a problem to manage on and off the court than it is help.

I just want everyone to marinate on the fact that the Jazz didn’t appear to terribly miss either during these playoffs (beyond having the depth). I think they could’ve lost even worse if they had both for the entire series. Until game 7, the issue was we were a **** defensive team and a historically great offensive team. There is no way having both would’ve helped either.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here's a post for some reality. If the Jazz don't move Conley, this is what your roster looks like in 2021. There's 0 flexibility because the Jazz will be way over the salary cap and stuck with poor roster. The salary cap is expected to be $115mm. The Jazz will be paying luxury tax with this roster. It's bad.

The cap is expected to be close to what it was this year... the 115M is pre-Covid guesstimations.

So yeah... likely choosing between the MLE and Jordan Clarkson... unless you can move Ed and Tony.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And Bojan. For all of his good, he is a 31-year old that got signed for four years at $18 million a season and he is bad at basically everything besides scoring.

It was a contextually good signing: you’re buying four years of Bojan for two years of good Bojan in a meaningful two-year win-now mode prior to Gobert, Mitchell, and Conley‘s, contract expirations. We needed a versatile and potent scorer at the forward positions. Only problem is Conley brought redundant positives (good scorer) and negatives (bad defender), which means the positives run into diminishing returns and the negatives get multiplied.

We didn’t need Conley is the long and short of it, and with both it is more of a problem to manage on and off the court than it is help.

I just want everyone to marinate on the fact that the Jazz didn’t appear to terribly miss either during these playoffs (beyond having the depth). I think they could’ve lost even worse if they had both for the entire series. Until game 7, the issue was we were a **** defensive team and a historically great offensive team. There is no way having both would’ve helped either.

I agree with a lot of this... I do think Bojan ages well so I'm not really concerned with his deal.

When Conley is killing it he takes some pressure off of DM. He mostly struggled this year for whatever reason. The issue is it rarely feels fluid... just feels kind of like my turn, your turn.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We may hear this exact thing...

 

[campaignist]

And Bojan. For all of his good, he is a 31-year old that got signed for four years at $18 million a season and he is bad at basically everything besides scoring.

It was a contextually good signing: you’re buying four years of Bojan for two years of good Bojan in a meaningful two-year win-now mode prior to Gobert, Mitchell, and Conley‘s, contract expirations. We needed a versatile and potent scorer at the forward positions. Only problem is Conley brought redundant positives (good scorer) and negatives (bad defender), which means the positives run into diminishing returns and the negatives get multiplied.

We didn’t need Conley is the long and short of it, and with both it is more of a problem to manage on and off the court than it is help.

I just want everyone to marinate on the fact that the Jazz didn’t appear to terribly miss either during these playoffs (beyond having the depth). I think they could’ve lost even worse if they had both for the entire series. Until game 7, the issue was we were a **** defensive team and a historically great offensive team. There is no way having both would’ve helped either.

bojan being out hurt a ton. If he’s healthy we’d have won or had a much better chance. It’s just that he and Conley are redundant.