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Gameface said:
All of us who have sat idly by and enjoyed our comfortable U.S. lives and have not taken up arms against this government are complicit in the same war crimes.

So maybe get off your high horse on that ****.

I'm not saying it isn't true, but if you want to get all uppity about them being war criminals you might want to snatch a mirror so that you can see one more.
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Lol. Sure.
 
Gameface said:
This is where you lose me completely. She's a moron? A lawyer, former District Attorney for San Francisco (a highly competitive job, to be sure), Attorney General of California (an insanely competitive job), and then a U.S. Senator for California... She's what you'd describe as a moron?
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Some of the smartest people out there can make idiotic decisions. Her judgement is clouded by her opportunistic blinders.
 
Beer said:
Some of the smartest people out there can make idiotic decisions. Her judgement is clouded by her opportunistic blinders.
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who doesn’t suffer from this to a certain extent? Is she willing to collude with Russia to win? Will she blackmail Ukraine for political favors? Will she use her office to fleece taxpayers and enrich her family? Will she run roughshod over the Constitution?
 
The Thriller said:
who doesn’t suffer from this to a certain extent? Is she willing to collude with Russia to win? Will she blackmail Ukraine for political favors? Will she use her office to fleece taxpayers and enrich her family? Will she run roughshod over the Constitution?
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This.
Trump is simply much much worse than any and all alternatives
 
The Thriller said:
who doesn’t suffer from this to a certain extent? Is she willing to collude with Russia to win? Will she blackmail Ukraine for political favors? Will she use her office to fleece taxpayers and enrich her family? Will she run roughshod over the Constitution?
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To answer your questions. Yes, I believe she would do every single one of those things and more if it would help her or she was capable of pulling any of them off.
 
Beer said:
. And no, I will never in a million years vote for Trump, so if it comes down to it I'll go 3rd party or no vote.
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Serious question: Do you believe the USA will be better off under Trump or Biden?
 
Beer said:
To answer your questions. Yes, I believe she would do every single one of those things and more if it would help her or she was capable of pulling any of them off.
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At least with her its still in question. Maybe she will surprise you.

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silesian said:
Serious question: Do you believe the USA will be better off under Trump or Biden?
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Honest answer. I think Biden will possibly be able to keep things as is, which is obviously not great, but I'm hopeful he won't make things worse. That being said, the main point of my original arguments are 1. How the god damn mother **** did we end up with Biden and Harris? Like jesus christ, those 2 rose to the top? What a joke. This has never been about Trump. He is a terrible president and is a moron. This has been about the Dems doing everything in their power to suck as bad as possible and hand Trump another 4 years.
 
This video sums up my feelings pretty damn well. Just replace the name Rahm Emanuel with Joe Biden and Kamala Crappy. It still fits perfectly.

 
Beer said:
Honest answer. I think Biden will possibly be able to keep things as is, which is obviously not great, but I'm hopeful he won't make things worse. That being said, the main point of my original arguments are 1. How the god damn mother **** did we end up with Biden and Harris? Like jesus christ, those 2 rose to the top? What a joke. This has never been about Trump. He is a terrible president and is a moron. This has been about the Dems doing everything in their power to suck as bad as possible and hand Trump another 4 years.
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It’s also been a lot about your purity.
 
Beer said:
Nah, she's already shown who she is over the past 20 years. She's as scummy as they come. She won't succeed at doing terrible things, but she'll sure as hell try.
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Or she will surprise you. Past behavior isn't always indicative of future behavior.

If you were to look at me 15 years ago and how I behaved then vs me today you would think I was a totally different person. People change sometimes.

Also, perhaps she is willing to do a lot of scummy crap to reach her goal of being president but once she reaches that goal then maybe she wont need to do scummy stuff anymore as she would be at the pinnacle and her goals would have been realized.

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fishonjazz said:
Or she will surprise you. Past behavior isn't always indicative of future behavior.

If you were to look at me 15 years ago and how I behaved then vs me today you would think I was a totally different person. People change sometimes.

Also, perhaps she is willing to do a lot of scummy crap to reach her goal of being president but once she reaches that goal then maybe she wont need to do scummy stuff anymore as she would be at the pinnacle and her goals would have been realized.

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Kamala is a deal-maker, not an ideologue. Deal-makers can be misinterpreted pretty easily because there are many opportunities for outsiders to think they’ve reached a total peace with the parties at hand—instead of seeing the deal as a very temporary detente, where you lock-in a certain advantage or victory, before running another assault. These are the reasons that Senators used to struggle in national elections: their voting records were too easy to criticize without looking under the hood of the deals/bills themselves. Kamala is doubly-unfortunate in this regard because she’s both a Senator and a prosecutor.

Beer is lacking sooooo much info on her, and on each deal she’s made, but that never matters, right?
 
Beer said:
Nah, she's already shown who she is over the past 20 years. She's as scummy as they come. She won't succeed at doing terrible things, but she'll sure as hell try.
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Do you have any specific abuses of power in mind when you say that?
 
NAOS said:
Kamala is a deal-maker, not an ideologue. Deal-makers can be misinterpreted pretty easily because there are many opportunities for outsiders to think they’ve reached a total peace with the parties at hand—instead of seeing the deal as a very temporary detente, where you lock-in a certain advantage or victory, before running another assault. These are the reasons that Senators used to struggle in national elections: their voting records were too easy to criticize without looking under the hood of the deals/bills themselves. Kamala is doubly-unfortunate in this regard because she’s both a Senator and a prosecutor.

Beer is lacking sooooo much info on her, and on each deal she’s made, but that never matters, right?
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Now, has Kamala taken on some battles just because her party bosses told her to? Has she been the kind of foot soldier that would do something not out of personal conviction but because of hierarchy? I’d say most definitely Yes. This is why she’s been labeled as an opportunist.

But I do think she’s changed; and I think she remains changeable. Again, she is not an ideologue.
 
This is certainly going to play well with veterans. I can’t wait to see what kind of bump in the polling this provides!
 
Avery said:
This story is so ghoulish that I hope it isn’t true.
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Why wouldn’t it be? No one has come out and denied it and it fits perfectly in line with something trump would do. Remember when he desecrated the CIA within days of becoming president? Or fired the FBI Director? Sided with Putin over his own IG? Refused to travel to Normandy because of the rain? Did nothing about russian bounties? Frankly, him respecting veterans is less believable
 
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