OPJ FTW

[toddychurch]

I guess I'm having a hard time getting excited about making any trade involving Conley because I don't think it will be even considered by our front office. Like I don't think for a minute DL will think about it... I think its all gonna be moves around the fringes.

I agree and the thing that sucks about it is our franchise is almost being held hostage in a way due to DL’s pride, arrogance or over-confidence that he’s the smartest guy in the room so to speak.

With all that said I have no idea what the dynamics of the front office are and it very well could be that he’s not the person upon whom I should place most of the blame, but he is the GM.

 

[infection]

Sub Conley for OPJ, sub Bradley/Davis for Favors, add Bojan, and even add one of HH’s guys like Shaq and we’re getting HCA and winning a title.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

he's risk free given he is on last year of his contract. an expiring if any thing else

In a straight swap sure... if we also throw in a first then there is some risk... I see what you are saying though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sub Conley for OPJ, sub Bradley/Davis for Favors, add Bojan, and even add one of HH’s guys like Shaq and we’re getting HCA and winning a title.

Shaq is this year's Caruso.

 

[David Stern]

Why do people think that Chicago wouldn't want Conley? They were one of the rumored teams after him last year, and there's multiple articles from their SB Nation-type reporters that think they should try and trade for him again. Philly makes the most sense by far tbh, but I'd be shocked if he had any interest in Horford or Harris

 

[latin jazz]

How do we get him? A 3-team deal with Philly wherein we send Conley to Philly, Philly sends Tobias to Chi, and we get OPJ? Is there any other scenario that even has a whiff of probability to it? (Not that this scenario has much of a whiff).

In that case, why not trading Conley for Tobias straight up? Porter have been plagued by injuries.

However I don't see this happening for the following reasons:
1) Why would Philly do it? If they blow it up, they should get young players (or solid starters bellow 30)+ picks
2) I like Tobias but I think Bojan at 17M/year give you 85% of his production.
3) Not long ago OPJ was on the Jazz radar. With all his injuries I'm wondering if that's still the case.
4) We lack depth. So if we trade Conley, we'll probably be looking at adding at least two decent players (probably role players) rather than one making 25-35M.
5) I'm not sure DL/Zanik are ready to move Conley. Usually the FO wants too see what they have in their hands before they pull the trigger. See how long it took to move Exum. It also took two years of Rubio, Crowder and Favors/Rudy to decide those players were expendable (or the lineup wasn't working in the case of Rudy/Favs). The FO will probably make moves around the edges rather than a big trade and then see what happens once Bojan is back. Then I can see a very active trade market at the deadline, not free agency. Key is who we get with the MLE and vet min with probably one minor trade during the offseason.

 

[toddychurch]

Shaq is this year's Caruso.

Shaq Harrison?

 

[latin jazz]

I really wanted to sign him that one year he was a RFA.

We signed Corey Maggete to an offer sheet that same year right?

 

[infection]

1) Why would Philly do it? If they blow it up, they should get young players (or solid starters bellow 30)+ picks

And the pathway forward there is getting off of contracts.

2) I like Tobias but I think Bojan at 17M/year give you 85% of his production.

Exactly. If not more.

3) Not long ago OPJ was on the Jazz radar. With all his injuries I'm wondering if that's still the case.

This may be the only saving grace for DL, as he can scratch previous itches.

4) We lack depth. So if we trade Conley, we'll probably be looking at adding at least two decent players (probably role players) rather than one making 25-35M.

I think a Conley for OPJ swap alone gives you more depth, because currently all of our depth is in the guard spots, and you can't close with all those guys. OPJ takes minutes from guys who are fringe NBA players. You have Bojan coming back then adding a real center, even if that's just Udoh, but you could still grab Favors.

5) I'm not sure DL/Zanik are ready to move Conley. Usually the FO wants too see what they have in their hands before they pull the trigger. See how long it took to move Exum. It also took two years of Rubio, Crowder and Favors/Rudy to decide those players were expendable (or the lineup wasn't working in the case of Rudy/Favs). The FO will probably make moves around the edges rather than a big trade and then see what happens once Bojan is back. I can see a very active trade market at the deadline, not free agency.

Unfortunately true. But realizing what can happen (Exum for Clarkson) when you let go of the delusions should give provide a modicum of self-reflection for the FO.

 

[infection]

We signed Corey Maggete to an offer sheet that same year right?

Yes, but I wanted Brand. I saw him more in the mold of a Malone. I think maybe that was still the time that we thought Lopez would be our Stockton.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why do people think that Chicago wouldn't want Conley? They were one of the rumored teams after him last year, and there's multiple articles from their SB Nation-type reporters that think they should try and trade for him again. Philly makes the most sense by far tbh, but I'd be shocked if he had any interest in Horford or Harris

Yes, but then they signed Satoransky and they also drafted White... so they have Lavine, Sato, White.. they could bring back Dunn or draft a guard too. I think they'd rather have OP than conley.

In the frontcourt they have Carter and Markanan and neither has really lit the world on fire. I could see Horford tutoring Carter and helping the other guys develop... he's a guy that generally does things that help others be successful, screening, passing, solid defense.... just a make the right play type of guy. The Philly fit was bad for a thousand reasons... everyone in Philly underperformed as well. Brown either sucks as a coach or got no buy in.

If Chicago did want Conley I think they'd more likely be moving Sato and Young and it would be much more about creating a ton of space the following year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Shaq Harrison?

Yes... I think he's under the radar and very good at things we need help with.