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Jazz select Udoka Azubuike with pick 27 & trade Tony Bradley + pick 38 to the Pistons

you know that area that Udoka grew up in, Lagos Nigeria, they dont tend to raise punks in that area, from what ive heard. its a rather dangerous place to be, riddled with crime.
 
How much will he improve? He did start playing at around 12-years-old and has been injured quite a bit. What's his FT% ceiling? Will he ever get a shot or will he forever have only the dunk? The lob? Can he guard outside the post? Can he be Rudy 2.0?
 
LoPo said:
But LA won because they sat Dwight and McGee to get the job done against a scrappy and small Miami team.

Denver and the Lakers are outliers with their bigs because they are incredibly unique bigs. Jokic and AD are dynamic offensively and capable defensively. We don't have that.

Last year, Toronto rotated various bigs to beat a team in GS that actually doesn't really rely on a big at all. But we all know they won due to injuries not because they had bigs.

It's a small ball game now. Bigs have roles but can't be the focus unless they are super dynamic.

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We’re never going to our small ball the best small ball teams out there. Having more bigs is an advantage. Lakers wouldn’t have reached the finals if not for their deep collection of bigmen. I think some of your are severely underrating the advantage of having a solid backup to Gobert. You’re also purposely ignoring that we upgraded our wings by adding hughes. And are overrating Woodward and Bane as if we just missed out on Kevin Durant.
 
Lord Bullingdon said:
His vertical is fine, probably more like 33 inches, which is plenty explosive, Explosiveness is not his issue. He's just not as explosive as that vert would lead u to believe, becaUSE IT'S all based on a faulty standing reaCH MEASUREMENT ------ AKA THE PAT CONNAUGHTON...
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yeah, 33 inch standing vert and 37 inch two step vert makes more sense. still elite. and it doesn't matter, tbh. it doesn't take a genius to see he's a great athlete for a 7 footer who has a huge lob radius and can finish around the rim better than just about any player who has come into the draft in 20 years or ever.
 
str8line said:
How much will he improve? He did start playing at around 12-years-old and has been injured quite a bit. What's his FT% ceiling? Will he ever get a shot or will he forever have only the dunk? The lob? Can he guard outside the post? Can he be Rudy 2.0?
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Do we want 7 footers shooting 3s? I’d prefer he set picks and destroy the rim. We have 4 other players who can shoot 3s.
 
Look at this ****... Here's a picture of Udoka at 14 years old...

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just a powerhouse if there ever was one..

he hasnt grown much since then height wise, he was like 6'10 in this picture im pretty sure...
 
I don't really understand the pick unless Rudy has outright said he doesn't plan on coming back. I think everyone in the world but the front office sees we need an athletic wing..... and we might get more Niang o_O
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is Udoka has incredible hands. Some of his catches are unreal.
 
I just want Udoka to live at the FT line this short offseason. In time, try and work on some more moves to get a bit more dynamic 8-10 feet out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Can’t pass, shoot, dribble, or move on the perimeter. He’s a poor mans Boban. He’s going to be as effective as about 10 players we could get on the open market at somewhere between the minimum and the BAE. We are assuming he will be ready now but he is likely to **** up the offense as hard or harder than Ed in his first year.

Also a budget Deandre Jordan gets played off the floor by round 2 of the playoffs. The move shows how our management can’t be flexible or innovative. We play the same way all the time... even though nba teams have proved they can beat that style in the playoffs.
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There are not many players who have the physical capabilities of Udoka and on top of that Udoka seems to have a high character. Not that Boban needs to jump much but Dok is a better athlete in every aspect.

I don't agree with Davis comparison. Ed's screens were more like slips and his rolls were for positioning for offensive rebounding rather than a pass. He also didn't have touch needed from a below the rim player. Udoka will set harder screens, he already shows good positioning on rolls and under the rim and he can dunk the **** out of everything.

We can still be flexible with Rudy Gobert but that depends on free agency. Switch, blitz, hedge he will still be effective at it.

Udoka is a band-aid, it is easier to insert a rim presence than sending away JC, reducing Ingles and Niang's role and getting 2-3 proven wing defenders.
 
The Thriller said:
We’re never going to our small ball the best small ball teams out there. Having more bigs is an advantage. Lakers wouldn’t have reached the finals if not for their deep collection of bigmen. I think some of your are severely underrating the advantage of having a solid backup to Gobert. You’re also purposely ignoring that we upgraded our wings by adding hughes. And are overrating Woodward and Bane as if we just missed out on Kevin Durant.
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I agree that having a big is fine. My problem is that we rely on a traditional big for every phase and minute of our game. Some project that the goal with Udoka is to have either Rudy or Udoka on the floor at all times. That is completely irresponsible if that's the case.

Big men are good. Always a big man is foolish.

As for Hughes, we can't count on him at this point and time. I like the potential though

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LoPo said:
I agree that having a big is fine. My problem is that we rely on a traditional big for every phase and minute of our game. Some project that the goal with Udoka is to have either Rudy or Udoka on the floor at all times. That is completely irresponsible if that's the case.

Big men are good. Always a big man is foolish.

As for Hughes, we can't count on him at this point and time. I like the potential though

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Which is why we are fixing to trade Rudy. Stamp it. We need a thread about it, LoPo.
 
LoPo said:
I agree that having a big is fine. My problem is that we rely on a traditional big for every phase and minute of our game. Some project that the goal with Udoka is to have either Rudy or Udoka on the floor at all times. That is completely irresponsible if that's the case.

Big men are good. Always a big man is foolish.

As for Hughes, we can't count on him at this point and time. I like the potential though

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Why can’t we count on Hughes? Who could we have counted on instead? And why? I want specifics
 
str8line said:
Which is why we are fixing to trade Rudy. Stamp it. We need a thread about it, LoPo.
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Lol. It would seem to make sense.

I already did. Atlanta makes sense. I doubt Boston gives us Brown. Charlotte doesn't have the assets. Brooklyn doesn't seem likely. The Clippers lack the assets. Dallas lacks the assets. Indiana is interesting but probably lacks the assets.

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Hekate said:
There are not many players who have the physical capabilities of Udoka and on top of that Udoka seems to have a high character. Not that Boban needs to jump much but Dok is a better athlete in every aspect.

I don't agree with Davis comparison. Ed's screens were more like slips and his rolls were for positioning for offensive rebounding rather than a pass. He also didn't have touch needed from a below the rim player. Udoka will set harder screens, he already shows good positioning on rolls and under the rim and he can dunk the **** out of everything.

We can still be flexible with Rudy Gobert but that depends on free agency. Switch, blitz, hedge he will still be effective at it.

Udoka is a band-aid, it is easier to insert a rim presence than sending away JC, reducing Ingles and Niang's role and getting 2-3 proven wing defenders.
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Cool... tell me how well Udoka gonna pass from the elbow... go watch the tape he misses obvious ****ing reads constantly. Will set bigger screens and have value as a rim runner... great.

Defense he protects the paint... great. He's also a ****ing turnstyle on the perimeter and won't be able to recover to shooters or to the ball handling guards.

IFFFF he develops he's high character Whiteside... we could get a guy at the minimum that will be better at doing what rookie Udoka is supposedly good at.

Xavier Tillman does all the things you want from a modern big except shoot and he's shown some signs of maybe being able to do that. If we wanted a band aid big that's fine... pick a better target. We are aiming at the wrong ****... how much you want to bet that either Ed or another vet end up being our backup center? DL and Quin hate relying on unproven players. They crave the certainty of vanilla ice cream.
 
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