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Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah the way to win people to a just cause is when they admit they were likely wrong to rub their noses in it and laugh at how stupid they were.
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I hate nothing more than people who switch sides and "brand new" converts. If today is your line in the sand, that's pretty ****ed up. How can everything else in the past 5 years be okay?
 
JimLes said:
I hate nothing more than people who switch sides and "brand new" converts. If today is your line in the sand, that's pretty ****ed up. How can everything else in the past 5 years be okay?
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I might agree with this in a vacuum but there's a bigger picture to look at - namely saving the ****ing country.

Today could be the end of something or the start of something. If we don't create a path for politicians to walk back the nonsense they've been spouting then it will most likely be the latter. Not counting Trump and his crime family of course - they're irredeemable.

Today is the day to think what would Lincoln do.
 
JimLes said:
I hate nothing more than people who switch sides and "brand new" converts. If today is your line in the sand, that's pretty ****ed up. How can everything else in the past 5 years be okay?
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You'd rather they continue with the stupidity I guess... Grab em by the ***** should have been my line in the sand... I still reluctantly voted for the ******* in 2016. I changed my mind over the next 4 years and participated in voting him out. So would you rather I still blindly vote republican in 2020?

I'm not saying the politicians who supported him and are just now switching sides should be welcomed with open arms. They have a much higher degree of accountability and knowledge. If people are now saying "****... look at this clown... looks like I was wrong." I'm not gonna throw it in their face. For some people it takes longer to get there.
 
Rubashov said:
Be a good idea.
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Would require overtime and they have had a long day... would also require a bunch of people to admit they were wrong. Seems like it would take balls and effort...
 
Rubashov said:
Is it a weakness of American democracy that you have a lame duck president that can destabilise the country? You lose the election here, pack your bags, **** off, you're out of office.
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Should be like MTV's the challenge... I'd even support no concession speech... just TJ Lavin saying "this ends your time in the White House... take care" They grab their duffle bag and walk onto a plane.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Would require overtime and they have had a long day... would also require a bunch of people to admit they were wrong. Seems like it would take balls and effort...
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Send a signal that they will not further put themselves or our country at risk.
 
The full text of the statement from George W. Bush:

Laura and I are watching the scenes of mayhem unfolding at the seat of our Nation's government in disbelief and dismay. It is a sickening and heartbreaking sight. This is how election results are disputed in a banana republic – not our democratic republic. I am appalled by the reckless behavior of some political leaders since the election and by the lack of respect shown today for our institutions, our traditions, and our law enforcement. The violent assault on the Capitol – and disruption of a Constitutionally-mandated meeting of Congress – was undertaken by people whose passions have been inflamed by falsehoods and false hopes. Insurrection could do grave damage to our Nation and reputation. In the United States of America, it is the fundamental responsibility of every patriotic citizen to support the rule of law. To those who are disappointed in the results of the election: Our country is more important than the politics of the moment. Let the officials elected by the people fulfill their duties and represent our voices in peace and safety. May God continue to bless the United States of America.
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candrew said:
Today could be the end of something or the start of something. If we don't create a path for politicians to walk back the nonsense they've been spouting then it will most likely be the latter.
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On a personal note, my feelings on this are likely clouded by having been born in a country where 25 years ago, an actual genocide(legally speaking) happened. Very few people today will speak in support of actual genocide, but like you said, things don't happen in a vacuum. What part was played by those who weren't pulling the trigger? You can't just say we need to create a path for people to walk back stuff. You said it. It had an effect. You can't undo it.

Today, a coup attempt happened. There's no if or buts about it. It was just a very pathetic coup attempt, but many coup attempts are like that. That doesn't make them less serious. Republicans in Senate and the House who have been parroting ******** about how the election was stolen are just as culpable as Trump. If this was a coup attempt, they need to be charged with sedition. Words are not just words, they matter. I know that part of the whole appeal of Trump is his saying ridiculous stuff and then walking it back to some degree or another, but I hope people haven't become that desensitized to it all. There has to be some accountability. Legal for the politicians and moral for those who elected them. People who voted for Trump, whether in 2016 or 2020 are morally culpable, just like people who voted for politicians who committed genocide are morally culpable. At some point, you have to put ethics above "unity" and "togetherness."
 
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