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One Brow said:
Every other industrialized country manages to go without choke holds. I suppose you, Rogan, and Willink think Americans are too stupid for that. Willink is talk about more combat training.
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How would you approach it? With a hand shake? What's your experience and where's your evidence that every other industrialized country doesn't do this?

I love you One Brow, but you live in your head and not reality.
 
candrew said:
I'll preface this by saying Jocko is definitely not a hack. I'm quite confident that he would never purposely misrepresent facts.

But I'd love to see the raw data on Jocko's claim at the 22 minute mark that most IAD complaints about cops come from other cops.

I'd think a deeper dive into the data would reveal those complaints are mostly work related grievances - being treated unfairly by your CO, getting injured on the job thru negligence, pay/OT related issues, etc.

I don't believe for a second that many if any of those complaints revolve around police misconduct when it comes to dealing with the public.
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Do you have a source that says this is wrong?

I just Googled it.

The more you know.
 
Do you guys know anyone who were ok with George Floyd being murdered? If so, curious as to what they say. Do they condone knees to the neck for 8 minutes?

I know a lot a douches, but haven't met one person who thinks this way, thank gawd.
 
Archie Moses said:
Do you guys know anyone who were ok with George Floyd being murdered? If so, curious as to what they say. Do they condone knees to the neck for 8 minutes?

I know a lot a douches, but haven't met one person who thinks this way, thank gawd.
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I got paired up with a guy on the golf course who moved from California to Utah to get away from the CA politics who was trying to tell me the autopsy showed Floyd was already dying due to an overdose of some sort of tranquilizer while he was still in the back of the cop car. That he was at like 400% of the lethal dose and was saying he couldn't breathe before Chauvin even took him out of the car. No idea if any of that is true but he is the only person I've talked to that didn't think Chauvin should be in prison.

He was also trying to convince the group of gigantic Polynesians behind us of this and they were not having it. It was getting very uncomfortable.
 
Archie Moses said:
100%

I think most police forces would/could/should receive mental illness training.

I'm also aware that mental illness can be a very hard thing to deal with because, well, the person is mental.



Haven't listened to this in a minute and who knows, I may feel differently about it now. That said, I remember agreeing with a lot of what Jocko says.


Lol at the posters on here that dislike Rogan. You people are missing out or can't differentiate some dude's opinion from reality.

Has Rogan said dumb things? Yes. Does he have great podcasts and guests? Yes. Is he dumb? Not at all. Does he know a lot about a lot and admits he's not an expert? Absolutely.

I'd like to hear how successful/smart those who rip Joe Rogan are on here cause I guarantee they're critical and experts in their own mind while working as blue collared people.
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It'd be just fine if police got mental illness training, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about non-police officers, unarmed, going to calls that are strictly mental illness help calls (no crime involved) without armed police there at all, and joining police on calls that clearly have a mental illness aspect but that also involve crimes and/or violence. Just because someone calls 911 doesn't mean police have to be involved.

I think we need to step back from the heavy handed (and often downright militaristic) policing that has become standard in the U.S. and especially so in poor urban neighborhoods.
 
Archie Moses said:
Do you guys know anyone who were ok with George Floyd being murdered? If so, curious as to what they say. Do they condone knees to the neck for 8 minutes?

I know a lot a douches, but haven't met one person who thinks this way, thank gawd.
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Not in person. Yesterday in World of Warships game chat there was a full on racist spewing a bunch of **** including celebrating George Floyd's killing.
 
Gameface said:
It'd be just fine if police got mental illness training, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about non-police officers, unarmed, going to calls that are strictly mental illness help calls (no crime involved) without armed police there at all, and joining police on calls that clearly have a mental illness aspect but that also involve crimes and/or violence. Just because someone calls 911 doesn't mean police have to be involved.

I think we need to step back from the heavy handed (and often downright militaristic) policing that has become standard in the U.S. and especially so in poor urban neighborhoods.
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So kind of like a police-counselor kind of thing. I like that idea.
 
Archie Moses said:
Do you guys know anyone who were ok with George Floyd being murdered? If so, curious as to what they say. Do they condone knees to the neck for 8 minutes?

I know a lot a douches, but haven't met one person who thinks this way, thank gawd.
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I have heard people say that George should have simply listened to the police and shouldn't have had a criminal record. Insinuating that he got what he deserved.

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fishonjazz said:
I have heard people say that George should have simply listened to the police and shouldn't have had a criminal record. Insinuating that he got what he deserved.

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I hate that we have this dichotomy that either everything the person did was just fine, regardless of actual legality of the actions, and the cop was a murderous scuzzball or the victim did everything wrong so he had it coming. It is possible that the victim should have obeyed the lawful commands of an officer of the law AND the cop was a murderous scuzzball, AND the victim absolutely had nothing coming other than maybe an arrest. This is most often the case, I would wager.

The victim is absolutely NOT to blame for the police brutality that resulted in their being hurt or dying. But to say that running from police, or fighting back, or waving a weapon around, or otherwise resisting was totally excusable and had nothing at all to do with anything is just dumb. Fact is, in many of these cases, IF the victim had just done what they were instructed to do it would have never made the news in the first place because they would have simply been booked with no further action. That is not to say that there aren't cops out there looking for any excuse, we know for a fact there are by the number we hear about who shoot first and ask questions later, but this would drastically reduce these situations in the first place.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So kind of like a police-counselor kind of thing. I like that idea.
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Yeah, and they might frequently take on a mediator type role and spearhead de-escalation efforts. The police seem to be operating under the Marine Corps principle where every Marine is a Rifleman and everyone that works for the police department is an armed officer. We need a different type of approach.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have heard people say that George should have simply listened to the police and shouldn't have had a criminal record. Insinuating that he got what he deserved.

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Oof.

I haven't heard that firsthand. I've read things about his record and what was in his system though. I'm like, yeah, cool, but 8 minutes of being publicly murdered though.
 
Gameface said:
Not in person. Yesterday in World of Warships game chat there was a full on racist spewing a bunch of **** including celebrating George Floyd's killing.
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I've read some cringe things on YouTube unfortunately too.

I have friends and family that are blinded by the right. Like, cringe worthy blinded. Thankfully, I've never heard any of them condone Floyd's murder. Who the **** are these people and why are they used to represent others?
 
JazzGal said:
I work for Adult Probation and Parole, and I honestly believe that most of the work done by the police as parole/probation officers should be done by trained social workers instead. The police aren't really trained to be handing out the life advice that they do.

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Speaking from experience and knowledge.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have heard people say that George should have simply listened to the police and shouldn't have had a criminal record. Insinuating that he got what he deserved.

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I think he, as well as everyone, should listen to police and abide by their commands. This doesn't mean I think all policemen are good and mean well.

There's a YouTube channel I watch called, audit the audit that I find very educational and disturbing.

I hope everyone is informed enough to follow police orders for their own safety. You don't wanna gamble your life with a trigger happy cop who says he felt endangered.
 
Gameface said:
It'd be just fine if police got mental illness training, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about non-police officers, unarmed, going to calls that are strictly mental illness help calls (no crime involved) without armed police there at all, and joining police on calls that clearly have a mental illness aspect but that also involve crimes and/or violence. Just because someone calls 911 doesn't mean police have to be involved.

I think we need to step back from the heavy handed (and often downright militaristic) policing that has become standard in the U.S. and especially so in poor urban neighborhoods.
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I think in a perfect world this would be the case.

How would you justify sending someone like this who gets murdered by the mentally ill?
 
Beer said:
I got paired up with a guy on the golf course who moved from California to Utah to get away from the CA politics who was trying to tell me the autopsy showed Floyd was already dying due to an overdose of some sort of tranquilizer while he was still in the back of the cop car. That he was at like 400% of the lethal dose and was saying he couldn't breathe before Chauvin even took him out of the car. No idea if any of that is true but he is the only person I've talked to that didn't think Chauvin should be in prison.

He was also trying to convince the group of gigantic Polynesians behind us of this and they were not having it. It was getting very uncomfortable.
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Oof.

I've read things online that say something along the lines that he died because he had fentanly in his system.

Who the hell would fixate or use that and dismiss the fact of a cop putting their knee on someone's neck until they died?

Ignorant assholes are who.
 
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