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Is this antifa? They seem to be killing a lot of people these days at these protests. I saw there was another shooting at a New Mexico protest last night. Unsure if the person was killed. Antifa sure is scary and violent. Glad they’ve been declared a terrorist organization by this president.

I wonder if antifa is the group that’s behind all of these African Americans to commit suicide by tree hanging these days?
 
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Archie Moses said:
I think arresting them on the spot shows that drinking and driving is not tolerated and is very serious and will be a process to recover from.
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So arrest them for symbology? Yeah, that's the current policy.

I don't know if you read the punishments, but they're serious. There's no such thing as a slap on the wrist for a DUI. It will alter your life significantly, you will absolutely know it was serious and the process to recover is significant. The arrest is one of the least disruptive and least significant parts of the punishment. It takes an officer off patrol to take the person to jail. The stay in jail will very often be less than 1 hour.
 
Gameface said:
So arrest them for symbology? Yeah, that's the current policy.

I don't know if you read the punishments, but they're serious. There's no such thing as a slap on the wrist for a DUI. It will alter your life significantly, you will absolutely know it was serious and the process to recover is significant. The arrest is one of the least disruptive and least significant parts of the punishment. It takes an officer off patrol to take the person to jail. The stay in jail will very often be less than 1 hour.
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I'm pretty sure when someone is arrested they need to be taken in to have their mug shot taken and printed.

I get what you're saying I just disagree with letting someone go if found guilty of a DUI.
 
Archie Moses said:
I'm pretty sure when someone is arrested they need to be taken in to have their mug shot taken and printed.

I get what you're saying I just disagree with letting someone go if found guilty of a DUI.
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It's not "letting them go." You realize that when you get a speeding ticket you've been arrested? In that situation they don't take you to jail but they certainly don't "let you go."

You're going to pay a fine and you're gonna have higher insurance costs. For a DUI you pay over $1000 in fines and you have to carry SR22 insurance which is high risk insurance and that **** is massively expensive. It'll cost you more than $10,000 over what you would have paid in insurance over the time period you'll be required to have it. In Utah you have to do either 48 hours of jail time or 48 hours of community service. You get evaluated for drug/alcohol dependency and if deemed to have a problem you have to get treatment. You have to go to a presentation where a person, usually a person who lost a loved one to a DUI, tells you what it's like. In Utah you automatically lose your license the moment you are arrested for at least 120 days. You can get it back sooner but I think you have to do something in exchange, like use an ignition interlock or go through drug/alcohol therapy or something like that.

I mean you keep saying you want DUI to be treated as a serious crime. It absolutely is. Not only is it treated very seriously when you're busted for it, but Utah has a 0.05%bac limit. In the '80s the limit was 0.1%. Everywhere else is now 0.08%. I mean it is being taken seriously, and DUIs are down, fatalities are down. It is not socially acceptable to drive drunk and having a DUI and especially if you have multiple DUIs carries a heavy stigma.

No one in this thread has advocated for lessening the penalties for DUI. No one in this thread has advocated for treating DUIs as a non-serious offense. No one in this thread has shown any sympathy for DUI offenders, nor has anyone expressed lack of sympathy for victims.
 
tfivas said:
Incorrect. A traffic ticket is not an arrest. An arrest occurs when an officer takes you into custody and you are booked into jail. A traffic ticket is a document that charges you with a crime.
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It is technically an arrest. I looked it up before posting that.

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Gameface said:
It is technically an arrest. I looked it up before posting that.

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Not how you phrased it earlier. You said when you get a ticket you’ve been arrested. That’s not accurate. When pulled over, you’re temporarily under arrest. If given a ticket, you’re then free to go and no longer under arrest. That also does not count toward your arrest record.
 
One Brow said:
Every other industrialized country manages to go without choke holds. I suppose you, Rogan, and Willink think Americans are too stupid for that. Willink is talk about more combat training.
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A quick Google search shows that's not true.

I think the guy offered some great ideas for police training requirements. I don't care they voiced opinions on choke holds.
 
Archie Moses said:
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I'll preface this by saying Jocko is definitely not a hack. I'm quite confident that he would never purposely misrepresent facts.

But I'd love to see the raw data on Jocko's claim at the 22 minute mark that most IAD complaints about cops come from other cops.

I'd think a deeper dive into the data would reveal those complaints are mostly work related grievances - being treated unfairly by your CO, getting injured on the job thru negligence, pay/OT related issues, etc.

I don't believe for a second that many if any of those complaints revolve around police misconduct when it comes to dealing with the public.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Not how you phrased it earlier. You said when you get a ticket you’ve been arrested. That’s not accurate. When pulled over, you’re temporarily under arrest. If given a ticket, you’re then free to go and no longer under arrest. That also does not count toward your arrest record.
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If issued a ticket you've been arrested. Past tense. There was a point at which you were arrested.
 
Gameface said:
If issued a ticket you've been arrested. Past tense. There was a point at which you were arrested.
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Being arrested simply means that the police have reasonable cause to believe you've broken the law (in this example having committed a traffic violation) and you are not free to leave until directed by the attending officer.

I think most people use the term "under arrest" only when talking about someone being put in handcuffs or otherwise taken into long term police custody, like to a jail cell or whatever. But you're right that that's not really what it means as far as the law is concerned.

I'm guessing, although not I'm not sure, that the only arrests that go on someone's criminal record are those for criminal behavior beyond civil infractions like speeding which isn't (usually) technically a "crime."
 
Gameface said:
If issued a ticket you've been arrested. Past tense. There was a point at which you were arrested.
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That’s fine. Your earlier post simply wasn’t as clear as it could be. The ticket has nothing to do with the arrest. Being pulled over and detained does. Perhaps I just didn't pick up on it though.
 
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From the link I posted in comment #1401...

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This high speed, mechanized form of a snare weapon system modeled after its prehistoric counterpart probably would have come in handy in the Atlanta killing, and is obviously non lethal...



Still popular in South America, I take it, this type of snare weapon was used prehistorically, at least in the Americas, probably elsewhere as well. This is what the mechanized, high speed model being introduced to more US police departments is modeled after...

 
From what I am reading Brooks had just gotten out of jail and was on parole which would have led to him being cuffed and taken back to jail.
 
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