Elijah Millsap: Lindsey in exit interview: “if u say one more word, I’ll cut your Black *** and send you back to Louisiana”.

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

It also shows lack of character on the part of someone for not confronting the situation when it occurred.

Nah, man. All of these long waits (1 minute, 1 year, 6, 20, 50, etc.) have zero to do with “character”. It’s either a fact or a lie whenever it is reported, and corroboration doesn’t change whether it’s a fact or a lie.
It is far more likely that an extended period of time between an event and the report constitutes a trauma response. So the points brought up about power dynamics are more valid than complaints about timing.

 

[LogGrad98]

Anywhere Davis county

@Gameface you should meet at Nielsen's in Bountiful. Have some wonderful frozen custard and talk about happy things!

 

[RandyForRubio]

Because we’d recall an unexpected, fairly racist and uncomfortable remark committed in the workplace against a black athlete, again, in a time when people are and were so ****ing “woke.”

It’s shocking to me that people don’t think a statement like that would be forgotten, ESPECIALLY, if it’s not one frequently made. If that’s something similar to the way Lindsey talks frequently, Snyder doesn’t make the comment he did. Snyder saying he can’t fathom Lindsey saying that is very telling, imo.

 

[fishonjazz]

A twelve y/o doesnt have the mental capability to decide, or do you disagree with that statement? So you think the government should allow kids to make life changing decisions, is that your stance?

I have no idea who should allow 12 year olds to make life changing decisions. I have also met 12 year olds with differing mental capacities. Who do you think should allow them to? I definitely dont think the government should decide what a 12 year old does or doesn't do. Im glad that the government doesn't do that. Are you glad? Or do you think the government should decide that the 12 year old cant make decisions that change their own life. What other parts of kids lives do you think the government should have control of?

 

[MT Steve]

It’s shocking to me that people don’t think a statement like that would be forgotten, ESPECIALLY, if it’s not one frequently made. If that’s something similar to the way Lindsey talks frequently, Snyder doesn’t make the comment he did. Snyder saying he can’t fathom Lindsey saying that is very telling, imo.

Imagine a world where DL did say what he's accused of saying.

It's not hard to come up with reasons why Snyder might have made the exact same comment in that world. Snyder's comment removes himself from culpability without outright denying that it happened while also sticking up for his GM. Snyder's a genius, and that would be a genius maneuver.

It's also entirely possible DL never said anything like that and Snyder is simply telling the truth, but I don't think his comment automatically discounts the possibility.

 

[Keefe]

Here’s my take. Much like when a woman claims rape, we now have to assume that Millsap is telling the truth. Obviously questions need to be asked, multiple times, in different ways to Elijah, Dennis, Quin, anyone else that was either in the room or immediately saw them after the exit interview. Perhaps, Lindsey’s secretary. Quin’s. I’d assume they each have one or a PA of some sort. I’d interview Paul, their uncle, Lindsey’s wife if those are at all possible as well. Elijah’s former college teammates and closest friends if those are possible. And of course, every single Utah Jazz player that was on the team since Lindsey has been here. And all of this has to be done by an outside firm hired by the league but paid for by the Jazz organization if that’s at all possible. Any of this that is legal that can be done and which is agreed to by said interviewees are musts.

If the findings come back unflattering, Lindsey needs to be fired. There’s no room for that, slip up or not. Not six years ago and certainly not now. Not in a league that’s predominantly black. And not for an organization that already has a few racist incidents in its recent past.

I totally hear where Cy is coming from. What does Elijah have to gain from this? Most likely, not much. But maybe he’s just bitter and pissed how his life turned out and blames Dennis for not lasting longer in the league as he played just two more NBA games after he departed. Maybe he has monetary issues and is looking to cash in somehow since we have a new rich-*** owner. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. I certainly wouldn’t lean in that direction but it’s possible. Anything is. But for now, Elijah should be taken at his word, and all due diligence should be done in as swift a manner as possible before making any decisions.

And lastly regarding Quin’s comments, they’re not very reassuring.

 

[LogGrad98]

Imagine a world where DL did say what he said.

It's not hard to come up with reasons why Snyder might have made the exact same comment in that world. Snyder's comment removes himself from culpability without outright denying that it happened while also sticking up for his GM. Snyder's a genius, and that would be a genius maneuver.

It's also entirely possible DL never said anything like that and Snyder is simply telling the truth, but I don't think his comment automatically discounts the possibility.

This. Snyder's response does nothing to clear any of this up.

 

[gomretat]

Imagine a world where DL did say what he;s accused of saying.

It's not hard to come up with reasons why Snyder might have made the exact same comment in that world. Snyder's comment removes himself from culpability without outright denying that it happened while also sticking up for his GM. Snyder's a genius, and that would be a genius maneuver.

It's also entirely possible DL never said anything like that and Snyder is simply telling the truth, but I don't think his comment automatically discounts the possibility.

This. Snyder's response does nothing to clear any of this up.

Obviously Quin was put in a tough spot because he doesn't want to throw an ex player or his boss under the boss. However, the strength with which he said what he said about DL was telling for me. I get it isn't conclusive but he made a pretty clear stand on where he is at if they do investigate.

 

[Keefe]

This. Snyder's response does nothing to clear any of this up.

For me, it’s a sign that Lindsey said it.

Listen, it’s not like Quin didn’t know he was going to be asked questions on the topic. And if that’s the case, Quin would’ve known to say, “Dennis absolutely never said any such words,” or something of the like. Not to script stuff out but if Dennis truly hadn’t said such, I’d assume Quin or any man with decent honor would stick up for the wrongfully accused, boss or not. But Quin didn’t say anything of the sort. He gave your templated CEO response that someone above said is genius and I find far from it because it might as well be a punchline by now.

I’m all for believing Elijah yet waiting until DD is done by the team and NBA to make any decisions. But this isn’t a good look imo.

 

[DasJazz]

You don't know that. You can't know that.

I can know that, I do know that. Unless of course you're also now accusing Quin Snyder as being complicit in this behavior?

Or how about big brother Paul not saying so much as a word about it all of these years when it supposedly happened with his former employer?

Sorry Charlie, this has Jussie Smollett written all over it. We're just missing the Subway sandwich at 2am.

 

[LogGrad98]

For me, it’s a sign that Lindsey said it.

Listen, it’s not like Quin didn’t know he was going to be asked questions on the topic. And if that’s the case, Quin would’ve known to say, “Dennis absolutely never said any such words,” or something of the like. Not to script stuff out but if Dennis truly hadn’t said such, I’d assume Quin or any man with decent honor would stick up for the wrongfully accused, boss or not. But Quin didn’t say anything of the sort. He gave your templated CEO response that someone above said is genius and I find far from it because it might as well be a punchline by now.

I’m all for believing Elijah yet waiting until DD is done by the team and NBA to make any decisions. But this isn’t a good look imo.

Yeah it is a lot like the cop on the stand answering "I do not recall" to all the questions.

 

[mongoose01]

Yeah it is a lot like the cop on the stand answering "I do not recall" to all the questions.

I think I could see your point if he stopped there, but he also added in that he cannot even fathom DL saying something like that. If I were dodging I wouldn’t follow it up with how I couldn’t imagine someone doing the thing that I conveniently don’t remember.


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[MT Steve]

He gave your templated CEO response that someone above said is genius and I find far from it because it might as well be a punchline by now.

In a world where DL said what he's accused of saying, it's genius because of what it accomplishes for Quin, not because it's an inherently creative response.

 

[Keefe]

In a world where DL said what he's accused of saying, it's genius because of what it accomplishes for Quin, not because it's an inherently creative response.

There’s nothing remotely genius about it. Anyone with half a brain could come up with that response.

 

[MT Steve]

There’s nothing remotely genius about it. Anyone with half a brain could come up with that response.

Eh, I guess you're right. I wouldn't describe it as a punchline though - he managed to do it in a way that was genuinely convincing.

 

[enchilada_style]

DL may have or may not have said something racist to Elijah

Just sayin

 

[whatthe]

Can we have these interactions recorded so that everything is on record?

 

[MT Steve]

 

[SteakNEggs]

So Elijah said DL isn't racist yet is taking about years of oppression and talking about "hundreds of thousands of black lives being slaughtered".

I guess I just don't the endgame and exactly what he's trying to get out of this. If said poster earlier was right and Elijah said DL isn't racist then what's the point here?

Before bigot Cy responds, I'm asking a simple question. I have no clue if DL said such thing or not.

 

[MT Steve]

If DL is encouraging the league to investigate it, he must be feeling pretty confident they won't find anything.