Elijah Millsap: Lindsey in exit interview: “if u say one more word, I’ll cut your Black *** and send you back to Louisiana”.

[Getting Traded]

People are making too much out of this, and in fact, this kind of crap is what prevents people from solving problems. A comment from six years ago? Was their racist intent? After all, his *** is black. Are we going to now put the same kind of stigma on calling someone black as using the N-word? This has gone too far.

 

[Nate505]

Well, that feels like the definition of categorically denying it happened without actually saying those words.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I'm try to be as anti-racist as I can, and I'm always trying to learn, but I'm sure I've said racist things before. Being anti-racist and coming from a diverse background doesnt give you immunity from ever saying the wrong thing. It certainly buys you goodwill and people will be more willing to forgive transgressions, but it doesnt make you immune to doing them.

I agree with you. Up until I recognize who is talking. This is coming from the guy who can't control his tongue more than most posters.

If you want to buy goodwill then I would suggest taking a dose of your own medicine and cleaning up your tone on this board. Until you change your character (not mockingly "having fun" with wives and crosses) then I suggest that you don't get mad about others who said something completely out of character.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree with you. Up until I recognize who is talking. This is coming from the guy who can't control his tongue more than most posters.

If you want to buy goodwill then I would suggest taking a dose of your own medicine and cleaning up your tone on this board. Until you change your character (not mockingly "having fun" with wives and crosses) then I suggest that you don't get mad about others who said something completely out of character.

I'm so confused.

 

[Jazz Traveler]

Has Zanik come forward and said anything? If the allegation is true, then there is a cover up from Lindsey, Snyder and Zanik. Or Millsap is still bitter and wants to cause trouble. Or perhaps whatever was said was blown out of proportion.

 

[Archie Moses]

Does it matter that Quin Snyder was in the meeting and doesn’t recall Lindsey saying it?

To some people yes.

If Quinn was in the meeting and said Dennis didn't say that then it's different than him saying he doesn't recall him saying that. Why wouldn't Snyder just say he didn't say that?

 

[Jazz Fusion]

To some people yes.

If Quinn was in the meeting and said Dennis didn't say that then it's different than him saying he doesn't recall him saying that. Why wouldn't Snyder just say he didn't say that?

I suspect he phrased it like that to support Lindsey and at the same time allow Millsap to save face without being called a liar.

 

[homeytennis]

If the guy has NBA talent virtually every team will be beating a path to his door. I don't buy that blackball angle. He was called up from the GLeague about the same time as Bryce Cotton and Jack Cooley. Both those guys are playing overseas after their lack of NBA talent was apparent.

 

[One Brow]

Careful. There are those in this thread that will point out your weight and potential slobbiness if you try to bring any semblance of balance to the discussion. Cancel culture is HEAVILY defended in this thread. DL must be eviscerated, there is no other option.

I was unaware that one poster constituted "culture".

 

[Getting Traded]

We can all speculate on this, but we also need to consider the history of DL. No one has ever even suggested he is racist. In fact, he grew up in a multi-racial family. If he did say this, maybe it was said in jest and Millsap misinterpreted it. I think it's telling that no one on the Jazz finds this credible or even conceivable. And if Millsap now says he doesn't believe DL is racist, then why did he bring this up, six years later? It can only be because he has a grudge against the Jazz. So GFY, Elijah Millsap, you a-hole.

 

[One Brow]

"Obviously, I know my truth," Millsap said in an interview with The Associated Press.

This, along with his belief that the Jazz blackballed him are starting to make me feel like this is all made up. Anytime someone says "my truth" instead of "the truth", I become very skeptical. There is no Millsap truth and there is no Dennis Lindsey truth. There is just the truth. If you have to clarify that it is "your truth", you are admitting that there are potential differences between your truth and reality. Very questionable.

I appreciate that you don't understand the phrasing or the language, but instead of trying to understand, you're using that ignorance to prop up your preferred understanding rather than to learn. You could do better.

 

[One Brow]

Because there were WITNESSES that said that it didn't happen.

Has Zanik commented publically? If not, where did you get that plural from (unless you think Lindsey is a witness, as opposed to an accused party, but that has not been your position so far).

 

[Gameface]

To some people yes.

If Quinn was in the meeting and said Dennis didn't say that then it's different than him saying he doesn't recall him saying that. Why wouldn't Snyder just say he didn't say that?

Tell me everything you haven't heard before vs everything you don't remember ever hearing before.

That's why.

 

[Nate505]

I apologize for making assumptions, but I assume from this post that you may have enjoyed the privilege of identifying with a dominant culture. I believe that most people who have come from a marginalized culture understand the significance of “my truth”. When a dominant culture erases or rewrites history in its favor, my truth is all that is left for everyone else. It is actually a very powerful statement used by many who are trying to voice things that have been silenced.

I am certainly not saying that DL is certainly guilty here, but Millsap’s use of the phrase my truth should not be the thing that casts doubt on him.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for giving this perspective some consideration.

Great post.

Honestly I kind of dismissed the phrase too, but that's definitely a valid perspective I did not think about.

 

[LogGrad98]

I was unaware that one poster constituted "culture".

Well someone else posted an angry face to my first post about not liking cancel culture, then they replied to me saying I'm better than that, so that certainly appeared to be a defense of cancel culture, considering I made no claims about EMs accusation, but rather just that I hate the fact that so many people immediately jump to the guilty conclusion. In fact in that response I was basically told that cancel culture isn't a thing, when the comments on most of these tweets prove it is alive and well. That certainly seemed to be a defense of cancel culture as well.

 

[LogGrad98]

Tell me everything you haven't heard before vs everything you don't remember ever hearing before.

That's why.

Ok here goes.

This is going to be a long post by the way.

 

[Jazzman12]

I’ve been out of town and away from internet connection the last few days and I’ve just had the chance to read a few pages of this thread but there’s no way I’ll be able to catch up on all 47 pages, so please forgive me if this has been brought up already:

Back when the U of U actually had a respectable basketball program and was in the Final 4, they beat North Carolina to advance to the title game vs Kentucky. After the UNC game, a Tarheel player accused Britton Johnson of calling him the “N-Word”. Johnson immediately denied it, but there was an awful lot of people that didn’t believe him and Johnson had to carry that stigma with him. A few years later, the Tarheel player admitted to making it up out of frustration. I felt terrible after finding out the truth because although I’m a Ute fan, I couldn’t imagine why somebody would just make-up such a serious accusation. I allowed myself to think less of Britton Johnson as a person because of 1 accusation that I assumed to be true.

Please don’t take my bringing up this story because I think everybody should just assume DL is innocent and we should peg Milsap as the liar in the situation. For me, the story is a valuable lesson that we as the general public will probably never know what really went on and we should be careful to immediately cast blame in either direction.

Sometimes, somebody says something that is untrue, and that is obviously happening with either Milsap, or DL and the other witnesses is the room. Most people have already picked their side on this but history has taught us that in these situations, we should be very careful to label somebody a liar, racist, etc. without having the benefit of all the facts. At this point, my main hope is that the Jazz are being honest about their investigation into the incident and whatever the conclusion is, it ends up being the right one.

 

[framer]

Zanik won't say anything not because he is hiding something, but as a kindness to Millsap, still leaving open the possibility that he misheard. He has definitely denied hearing it to those investigating.

 

[framer]

Also, have you ever heard someone who never swears drop an F bomb? It's pretty memorable. I don't think Quin would forget a casual racist slur from someone who isn't like that.

 

[Getting Traded]

I’ve been out of town and away from internet connection the last few days and I’ve just had the chance to read a few pages of this thread but there’s no way I’ll be able to catch up on all 47 pages, so please forgive me if this has been brought up already:

Back when the U of U actually had a respectable basketball program and was in the Final 4, they beat North Carolina to advance to the title game vs Kentucky. After the UNC game, a Tarheel player accused Britton Johnson of calling him the “N-Word”. Johnson immediately denied it, but there was an awful lot of people that didn’t believe him and Johnson had to carry that stigma with him. A few years later, the Tarheel player admitted to making it up out of frustration. I felt terrible after finding out the truth because although I’m a Ute fan, I couldn’t imagine why somebody would just make-up such a serious accusation. I allowed myself to think less of Britton Johnson as a person because of 1 accusation that I assumed to be true.

Please don’t take my bringing up this story because I think everybody should just assume DL is innocent and we should peg Milsap as the liar in the situation. For me, the story is a valuable lesson that we as the general public will probably never know what really went on and we should be careful to immediately cast blame in either direction.

Sometimes, somebody says something that is untrue, and that is obviously happening with either Milsap, or DL and the other witnesses is the room. Most people have already picked their side on this but history has taught us that in these situations, we should be very careful to label somebody a liar, racist, etc. without having the benefit of all the facts. At this point, my main hope is that the Jazz are being honest about their investigation into the incident and whatever the conclusion is, it ends up being the right one.

I believe there is nothing wrong in calling someone black or white, and that if you concede this, then you are accepting a double standard which is unethical.