Elijah Millsap: Lindsey in exit interview: “if u say one more word, I’ll cut your Black *** and send you back to Louisiana”.

[Gameface]

To some people yes.

If Quinn was in the meeting and said Dennis didn't say that then it's different than him saying he doesn't recall him saying that. Why wouldn't Snyder just say he didn't say that?

Tell me everything you haven't heard before vs everything you don't remember ever hearing before.

That's why.

 

[Nate505]

I apologize for making assumptions, but I assume from this post that you may have enjoyed the privilege of identifying with a dominant culture. I believe that most people who have come from a marginalized culture understand the significance of “my truth”. When a dominant culture erases or rewrites history in its favor, my truth is all that is left for everyone else. It is actually a very powerful statement used by many who are trying to voice things that have been silenced.

I am certainly not saying that DL is certainly guilty here, but Millsap’s use of the phrase my truth should not be the thing that casts doubt on him.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for giving this perspective some consideration.

Great post.

Honestly I kind of dismissed the phrase too, but that's definitely a valid perspective I did not think about.

 

[LogGrad98]

I was unaware that one poster constituted "culture".

Well someone else posted an angry face to my first post about not liking cancel culture, then they replied to me saying I'm better than that, so that certainly appeared to be a defense of cancel culture, considering I made no claims about EMs accusation, but rather just that I hate the fact that so many people immediately jump to the guilty conclusion. In fact in that response I was basically told that cancel culture isn't a thing, when the comments on most of these tweets prove it is alive and well. That certainly seemed to be a defense of cancel culture as well.

 

[LogGrad98]

Tell me everything you haven't heard before vs everything you don't remember ever hearing before.

That's why.

Ok here goes.

This is going to be a long post by the way.

 

[Jazzman12]

I’ve been out of town and away from internet connection the last few days and I’ve just had the chance to read a few pages of this thread but there’s no way I’ll be able to catch up on all 47 pages, so please forgive me if this has been brought up already:

Back when the U of U actually had a respectable basketball program and was in the Final 4, they beat North Carolina to advance to the title game vs Kentucky. After the UNC game, a Tarheel player accused Britton Johnson of calling him the “N-Word”. Johnson immediately denied it, but there was an awful lot of people that didn’t believe him and Johnson had to carry that stigma with him. A few years later, the Tarheel player admitted to making it up out of frustration. I felt terrible after finding out the truth because although I’m a Ute fan, I couldn’t imagine why somebody would just make-up such a serious accusation. I allowed myself to think less of Britton Johnson as a person because of 1 accusation that I assumed to be true.

Please don’t take my bringing up this story because I think everybody should just assume DL is innocent and we should peg Milsap as the liar in the situation. For me, the story is a valuable lesson that we as the general public will probably never know what really went on and we should be careful to immediately cast blame in either direction.

Sometimes, somebody says something that is untrue, and that is obviously happening with either Milsap, or DL and the other witnesses is the room. Most people have already picked their side on this but history has taught us that in these situations, we should be very careful to label somebody a liar, racist, etc. without having the benefit of all the facts. At this point, my main hope is that the Jazz are being honest about their investigation into the incident and whatever the conclusion is, it ends up being the right one.

 

[framer]

Zanik won't say anything not because he is hiding something, but as a kindness to Millsap, still leaving open the possibility that he misheard. He has definitely denied hearing it to those investigating.

 

[framer]

Also, have you ever heard someone who never swears drop an F bomb? It's pretty memorable. I don't think Quin would forget a casual racist slur from someone who isn't like that.

 

[Getting Traded]

I’ve been out of town and away from internet connection the last few days and I’ve just had the chance to read a few pages of this thread but there’s no way I’ll be able to catch up on all 47 pages, so please forgive me if this has been brought up already:

Back when the U of U actually had a respectable basketball program and was in the Final 4, they beat North Carolina to advance to the title game vs Kentucky. After the UNC game, a Tarheel player accused Britton Johnson of calling him the “N-Word”. Johnson immediately denied it, but there was an awful lot of people that didn’t believe him and Johnson had to carry that stigma with him. A few years later, the Tarheel player admitted to making it up out of frustration. I felt terrible after finding out the truth because although I’m a Ute fan, I couldn’t imagine why somebody would just make-up such a serious accusation. I allowed myself to think less of Britton Johnson as a person because of 1 accusation that I assumed to be true.

Please don’t take my bringing up this story because I think everybody should just assume DL is innocent and we should peg Milsap as the liar in the situation. For me, the story is a valuable lesson that we as the general public will probably never know what really went on and we should be careful to immediately cast blame in either direction.

Sometimes, somebody says something that is untrue, and that is obviously happening with either Milsap, or DL and the other witnesses is the room. Most people have already picked their side on this but history has taught us that in these situations, we should be very careful to label somebody a liar, racist, etc. without having the benefit of all the facts. At this point, my main hope is that the Jazz are being honest about their investigation into the incident and whatever the conclusion is, it ends up being the right one.

I believe there is nothing wrong in calling someone black or white, and that if you concede this, then you are accepting a double standard which is unethical.

 

[Gameface]

I believe there is nothing wrong in calling someone black or white, and that if you concede this, then you are accepting a double standard which is unethical.

I don't think racial identity had any place in that alleged comment. I think it would have also been inappropriate to say "I'll send your white *** back to SLC." So no double standard. Injecting race into a comment like that is inappropriate.

 

[idiot]

I believe there is nothing wrong in calling someone black or white, and that if you concede this, then you are accepting a double standard which is unethical.

Words and phrases have both denotative and connotative meanings. If you don't understand this, you don't understand language. If you try to pretend that connotative meanings don't exist, you're perpetuating a fraud on yourself.

Sometimes denotative meanings are much stronger than connotative. Sometimes connotative meanings are stronger than denotative. It depends on the context. But this phrase that Lindsey is accused of saying is clearly one in which the connotative meaning overpowers the denotative.

In the context in which it was said to have been spoken it would connotatively convey something like, "Slavery never really ended. I (as a white man) have the power to do whatever I want with you (as a black man). So you'll shut up and do what you're told."

 

[Jazzman12]

I believe there is nothing wrong in calling someone black or white, and that if you concede this, then you are accepting a double standard which is unethical.

I believe there is nothing wrong in calling someone black or white, and that if you concede this, then you are accepting a double standard which is unethical.

So if Lindsey was dealing with a female member of the Jazz front office or coaching staff, and told her “One more word out of you, and I’ll fire your female ***”, do you think that would be ok too? If that was said to my daughter, I’d be mad as hell as I would take that as a man with power basically using the basis of sex to intimidate her while reminding her that she’s of the subordinate sex in DL’s eyes.

Again, I don’t know if accusation is true but if that’s indeed what happened, there’s quite a few reasons that make it unacceptable on DL’s part. If you can’t see that. We’ll just have to agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Joncolton]

Elijah now says he's never mentioned this to Paul Millsap at any time before, and he doesn't believe that Dennis Lindsey is racist.