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TheGoldStandard said:
Does it need to be? Information on the subject is quite pervasive. Unless you have a vaccine allergy or medical history with Guillan-Barre, the vaccine is a no-brainer except for those without brains.

I've been very specific in other posts. Besides death, lung damage, stroke risk (wife has had multiple patients eith covid related strokes which led to loss of language/aphasia and lack of mobility) brain damage, etc.

www.healthline.com

Everything You Need to Know About Vaccinations

It’s important that as many people as possible get vaccinated. When enough people are vaccinated, it helps protect society and creates herd immunity.
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www.nationalgeographic.com
Vaccines are highly unlikely to cause side effects long after getting the shot

https://www.usnews.com › articles
How to Talk to Someone Who's Hesitant to Get the COVID-19 Vaccine - USNews.com
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sure I'm more getting at the effects on kids specifically and "long term" Don't get me wrong i'm not anti vax but i think vaccinating kids is dubious at best and insane at worst.
 
Douchebag K said:
sure I'm more getting at the effects on kids specifically and "long term" Don't get me wrong i'm not anti vax but i think vaccinating kids is dubious at best and insane at worst.
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Kids have been going through the same trials adulds have and the "effective dosage" about to be approved for kids under 12 is 1/3 of adults, and so far all indications show this dosage to be very safe at these levels. Right now over 96% of doctors have the vaccine. The few medical professionals I know personally that don't I would not have trusted to treat me before the pandemic. I think we'll see similar percentage of these same medical professionals children getting the vaccine. We already know that similar mRNA vaccines have been used for certain cancers (in small trials), including children, that started over a decade ago, with no indcated long-term side effects.

My wife is currently treating more patients with covid at her hospital right now since this started, and her hospital has one of the top infectious disease wards in the country, and received the highest # of covid patients when the pandemic started. She currently has the largest caseload of people under 30 (she does not see childen). She's had multiple young patient get Covid related blood clots which have caused strokes. This is a common phenomenon, but one that has not seen many headlines, although there is clear data on it with a quick search online.

For me, again, it isn't just about death of kids, which is of course a scary proposition. So far, the death rate in kids is very low (indirect deaths from Covid due to stroke, etc. often aren't attributed as Covid deaths, which lead to undercounting the death rate too), but all of the potential side effects, which a vaccine can attenuate, will be the main reason my kids will get vaccinated.

Kids under 12 are also approximately 22% of our population, and are germ factories. If we want to get to an effective level of vaccinated for herd immunity, it is going to have to include vaccine availability to our entire population.

With anything medical related, if you have doubts, look at what the majority of the medical community is doing to help guide your decision.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
Kids have been going through the same trials adulds have and the "effective dosage" about to be approved for kids under 12 is 1/3 of adults, and so far all indications show this dosage to be very safe at these levels. Right now over 96% of doctors have the vaccine. The few medical professionals I know personally that don't I would not have trusted to treat me before the pandemic. I think we'll see similar percentage of these same medical professionals children getting the vaccine. We already know that similar mRNA vaccines have been used for certain cancers (in small trials), including children, that started over a decade ago, with no indcated long-term side effects.

My wife is currently treating more patients with covid at her hospital right now since this started, and her hospital has one of the top infectious disease wards in the country, and received the highest # of covid patients when the pandemic started. She currently has the largest caseload of people under 30 (she does not see childen). She's had multiple young patient get Covid related blood clots which have caused strokes. This is a common phenomenon, but one that has not seen many headlines, although there is clear data on it with a quick search online.

For me, again, it isn't just about death of kids, which is of course a scary proposition. So far, the death rate in kids is very low (indirect deaths from Covid due to stroke, etc. often aren't attributed as Covid deaths, which lead to undercounting the death rate too), but all of the potential side effects, which a vaccine can attenuate, will be the main reason my kids will get vaccinated.

Kids under 12 are also approximately 22% of our population, and are germ factories. If we want to get to an effective level of vaccinated for herd immunity, it is going to have to include vaccine availability to our entire population.

With anything medical related, if you have doubts, look at what the majority of the medical community is doing to help guide your decision.
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nice info What's the correlation with health status and symptomatic cases in younger people ? ie cardiovascular disease, obesity, other serious conditions ?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The chart worth particular attention in your linked PDF is on page 8.
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Since the pandemic began, in Florida there have been 42,252 COVID deaths. Of that number, only 11 of them are among those aged under 16. That means over 99.97% of COVID deaths in Florida are among those aged 16 and over. Less than 0.003% of COVID deaths are from the under-16 demographic. Florida was even nice enough to calculate the COVID mortality per 100k population in the last column. You can see it is 0.3 per 100k.

Now take a look at the Influenza mortality per 100k population from the 2018-2019 flu season.
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I want to be absolutely clear that I am not saying SARS-CoV-2 is just like the Flu or just like the common cold. It clearly is not. That said, a kid who catches COVID today is statistically safer than a kid who caught influenza during the 2018-2019 flu season. The kids are safe. Kids are in no more danger today than they've ever been. They aren't immune to COVID. They can still catch it but it is like catching a cold. They get it. They get over it. They then have at least some immunity to it. This pandemic isn't about kids.
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Again you’re looking at cumulative data, these numbers represent cases and deaths from the original strain and delta. Delta is another animal and the dominant strain. Go back one page to page 7 and look at the weekly numbers.

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These data show the increase in cases in young people, especially kids aged 12-19 and young adults 30-39. Older folks have higher vaccination rates and have seen cases flatline.

We don’t have weekly death rates for kids, but we will.

Doctors have been warning us for weeks, including pediatric infectious disease expert, Dr. Mark Kline, heading Louisiana’s COVID response related to child infections.


www.wsj.com

More Children Are Hospitalized With Covid-19, and Doctors Fear It Will Get Worse

Doctors fear cases will rise further as the Delta variant spreads and schools reopen. “This is different than we saw before,” a hospital official says.
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LOL. That didn’t turn out too well now did it?



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