Coronavirus

[Archie Moses]

No one is being forced.

It would be ridiculous if people lost jobs because they refused to wear hard hats, or steel-toed shoes, or hair nets. However, we wouldn't be blaming the company that requires the hats, shoes, and/or nets.

Lol

You're comparing hard hats to someone's choice with what they do with their body.

I support being vaccinated. I am. I still got it and blew bubble balls.

Maybe society should fire people who do or don't do things with their body, right?

Insane.

Smdh.

 

[Gameface]

Lol

You're comparing hard hats to someone's choice with what they do with their body.

Smdh.

Those are all things that people do with their bodies. You could make arguments about the harm that hard hats do... and those arguments would be about as valid as the arguments against the COVID vaccine. The personal freedom angle and if you should be able to work if you refuse would be pretty similar IMHO. Except with a hard hat you're only protecting yourself.

Vaccines are safe and effective. Hundreds of millions have taken the COVID vaccines, and those vaccines have come and gone from their bodies. Are we waiting for some mysterious damage to manifest itself that is greater than the damage from COVID? Spoiler alert, it ain't coming. It is safer to take vaccines than get COVID. Just like it's safer to wear a hard hat than to not if something hard and heavy drops onto your head.

 

[Archie Moses]

Those are all things that people do with their bodies. You could make arguments about the harm that hard hats do... and those arguments would be about as valid as the arguments against the COVID vaccine. The personal freedom angle and if you should be able to work if you refuse would be pretty similar IMHO. Except with a hard hat you're only protecting yourself.

Vaccines are safe and effective. Hundreds of millions have taken the COVID vaccines, and those vaccines have come and gone from their bodies. Are we waiting for some mysterious damage to manifest itself that is greater than the damage from COVID? Spoiler alert, it ain't coming. It is safer to take vaccines than get COVID. Just like it's safer to wear a hard hat than to not if something hard and heavy drops onto your head.

Again, I support getting vaccinated but the idea that if people choose not to should be punished, is insane to me.

We live in the Gawd Damn free world. You of all people should know and support this.

I highly encourage everyone to be vaccinated, and if they're not, I'm not gonna ostracize/segregate them.

We live in a silly society.

 

[Gameface]

Again, I support getting vaccinated but the idea that if people choose not to should be punished, is insane to me.

We live in the Gawd Damn free world. You of all people should know and support this.

I highly encourage everyone to be vaccinated, and if they're not, I'm not gonna ostracize/segregate them.

We live in a silly society.

Well I agreed with you about people being "forced" to get vaccinated. I do not agree that workplace requirements are the same as punishing people or forcing them to get vaccinated. If a person wants to not vaccinate, and therefore put other people at greater risk, then they should hold that position strongly enough to willingly leave a workplace that requires vaccinations, same as a person in a construction environment that is opposed to hard hats and decides they'd rather not comply and lose their job, except that the hard hat is liability control for the employer because it is only the individual who is protected from a hard hat.

We live in a silly society for sure, where people think they should face no consequences at all for putting other people's life at risk when there is a very easy option to help protect their self and the people who work closely with them.

 

[Archie Moses]

Well I agreed with you about people being "forced" to get vaccinated. I do not agree that workplace requirements are the same as punishing people or forcing them to get vaccinated. If a person wants to not vaccinate, and therefore put other people at greater risk, then they should hold that position strongly enough to willingly leave a workplace that requires vaccinations, same as a person in a construction environment that is opposed to hard hats and decides they'd rather not comply and lose their job, except that the hard hat is liability control for the employer because it is only the individual who is protected from a hard hat.

We live in a silly society for sure, where people think they should face no consequences at all for putting other people's life at risk when there is a very easy option to help protect their self and the people who work closely with them.

I have a lot of opinions on the virus. Trust me, I should. I've done my due-diligence on educating not only myself, but others about the virus.
I was probably in the first 10 to 20% of Utahns to get vaccinated and have and still will encourage family members to get vaccinated even though I still got the damn thing.

To me though, as simple as it may sound to say everyone should be vaccinated is being short sighted on their decision. Yes, decisions have consequences, but to fire someone, threaten someone, force someone or ostracize someone for not getting vaccinated (comparing it to hard hats or steel toed shoes) is ****ing ridiculous.

It's people's bodies and it's none of anyone's gawd damn business what they do with it. I'm consistent on this thought process, it's amazing how many aren't.

My mom ****ing died from the virus.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

My mom ****ing died from the virus.

I'm really sorry to hear that.

 

[One Brow]

These morons want to vaccinate kids with a untested vaccine, that doesn't "immunize" but "protect" per the CDC(changed the definition of vaccine this year), from a disease that they are less likely to die from than be struck by lightning.

The protection is from immunization. Don't be dense.

Kids are even less likely to be injured/killed by the vaccine than they are by covid19. That alone should be more than enough.

 

[One Brow]

You're comparing hard hats to someone's choice with what they do with their body.

Every company with a mandate allows for regular testing instead of getting vaccinated.

 

[leftyjace]

So… booster shot report.
I actually got delayed, and didn’t get it until Monday evening.
Didn’t sleep well. Woke up feeling kind of flu-ish Tuesday morning.
By Tuesday afternoon, was really in bad shape. My wife finally talked me into taking my temperature, and sure enough, I had a 101 fever… last night (Tuesday night) was horrible. I was shaky, achy, massive headache. Did not sleep well last night either, but my fever broke in the night which was good.
Today I’m… OK. Still massive headache, but much better as far as flu-y aches and stuff. No more fever.
And that’s good, right? Cuz the more I react to the vaccine booster the more effective it is… right? Right????

 

[Gameface]

I have a lot of opinions on the virus. Trust me, I should. I've done my due-diligence on educating not only myself, but others about the virus.
I was probably in the first 10 to 20% of Utahns to get vaccinated and have and still will encourage family members to get vaccinated even though I still got the damn thing.

To me though, as simple as it may sound to say everyone should be vaccinated is being short sighted on their decision. Yes, decisions have consequences, but to fire someone, threaten someone, force someone or ostracize someone for not getting vaccinated (comparing it to hard hats or steel toed shoes) is ****ing ridiculous.

It's people's bodies and it's none of anyone's gawd damn business what they do with it. I'm consistent on this thought process, it's amazing how many aren't.

My mom ****ing died from the virus.

It is other people's business.

It's my firm opinion that property rights have not been overridden by people wanting to not get vaccinated without any consequences, so if an employer wants to keep their operation, including them self and their other employees safe, they have every right to require vaccines and/or frequent testing.

I work with a guy I like, three other people he worked closely with tested positive for COVID and took their mandatory time off. He didn't get tested although he almost certainly was sick, and he continued to work because he didn't want to lose out on his OT. Was that just his own personal business? I sure don't ****ing think so. I worked with him several times while he was sick. This was pre-vaccine.

 

[Gameface]

So… booster shot report.
I actually got delayed, and didn’t get it until Monday evening.
Didn’t sleep well. Woke up feeling kind of flu-ish Tuesday morning.
By Tuesday afternoon, was really in bad shape. My wife finally talked me into taking my temperature, and sure enough, I had a 101 fever… last night (Tuesday night) was horrible. I was shaky, achy, massive headache. Did not sleep well last night either, but my fever broke in the night which was good.
Today I’m… OK. Still massive headache, but much better as far as flu-y aches and stuff. No more fever.
And that’s good, right? Cuz the more I react to the vaccine booster the more effective it is… right? Right????

How did you feel after your second dose, assuming you got Moderna of Pfizer the first time around?

I got Pfizer the first time and had basically no reaction. I get my booster in a few hours, not sure if it will be Pfizer or not.

 

[leftyjace]

How did you feel after your second dose, assuming you got Moderna of Pfizer the first time around?

I got Pfizer the first time and had basically no reaction. I get my booster in a few hours, not sure if it will be Pfizer or not.

I got Pfizer the first time.
Second Pfizer shot I was wiped out for 24 hours or so, but no fever, nothing else other than feeling a bit wiped out.
Moderna was a whole different animal.
I also have a buddy who got Pfizer first vaccine, and got Pfizer booster - and he had no symptoms at all from the Booster.
So… I’m feeling kind of like the Moderna was a good move, at least based on how my body reacted to it.

 

[Gameface]

I got Pfizer the first time.
Second Pfizer shot I was wiped out for 24 hours or so, but no fever, nothing else other than feeling a bit wiped out.
Moderna was a whole different animal.
I also have a buddy who got Pfizer first vaccine, and got Pfizer booster - and he had no symptoms at all from the Booster.
So… I’m feeling kind of like the Moderna was a good move, at least based on how my body reacted to it.

Well, if they give me a choice I'll ask for Moderna.

 

[Hax0rs]

Kids are even less likely to be injured/killed by the vaccine than they are by covid19.

Please provide said scientific "proof".

 

[Hax0rs]

I was probably in the first 10 to 20% of Utahns to get vaccinated and have and still will encourage family members to get vaccinated even though I still got the damn thing.


My mom ****ing died from the virus.

I'm confused by your quoted sentence. You sound like you are positive about the vaccine, have encouraged others within your circle to get it, yet your sentence showed hesitancy or uncertainty.

I'm sorry that you lost your Mother from this, I hope the people who created this virus receive justice.

 

[One Brow]

Please provide said scientific "proof".

Will you accept epidemiological "proof"? Because @TheGoldStandard already provided it.

I'm sorry that you lost your Mother from this, I hope the people who created this virus receive justice.

The bats are already dead. Do you mean God?

 

[Hax0rs]

Will you accept epidemiological "proof"? Because @TheGoldStandard already provided it.

I want to see the scientific study that you claimed is out there, proving that "Kids are even less likely to be injured/killed by the vaccine than they are by covid19.".

 

[Hax0rs]

I provided the VAERS data, please show me your scientific study.

 

[One Brow]

I want to see the scientific study that you claimed is out there, proving that "Kids are even less likely to be injured/killed by the vaccine than they are by covid19.".

I didn't claim there was a scientific study. There is epidemiological evidence. Quite literally, unvaccinated kids get more comorbidities overall than vaccinated kids. Those are the raw numbers.

I provided the VAERS data, please show me your scientific study.

Please. There was actually a guy in VAERS that claimed vaccine turn him into the Incredible Hulk. You can't even get good epidemiology from VAERS, much less a scientific study.

 

[Hax0rs]

Please. There was actually a guy in VAERS that claimed vaccine turn him into the Incredible Hulk. You can't even get good epidemiology from VAERS, much less a scientific study.

Wait a second, if that's true, then what you're saying is that every person who reports adverse reactions in the VAERS system (the government system people are supposed to report adverse side effects in) is ********.

The system that CITIZENS are supposed to use to report and that the CDC and FDA monitor to possibly pull a drug in testing, is BS?

You're one sick individual.