The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[Deleted member 365]

There is no bottom

 

[Avery]

Well, it’s begun.

As if 2020 and 2021 weren’t awful enough.

 

[str8line]

I know you're not anything credible,always have. Straight out of the activist stooge pool.

If you had a brain, you would have seen a few posts up in this thread, and elsewhere, that I said Putin would take the posture of the humanitarian, and the protector of the Russian ethnic separatist portion of the Donbas population. I said we were creating this sort of "opportunity" for him byh influencing or supporting Zelensky not to negotiate. You apparently missed the fact, which I noted last spring, almost ayear ago, that a Ukraniian military honcho was lining up Ukrainian forces to go in and put the separatist movement out.

So if the Ukraine jthreatens its own people and they are going to be pushed out of their country into Russia, that means Putin has a humanitarian crisis with hundreds of thousandsw of refugees.

The administration in Ukraine prior to Zelensky, did a cease fire with a promise to meet with the separatists and negotiate. zelensky rrepudiated that accord,the Minsk Accord, saying it was something the prior administration agreed to under duress.

The facts on the ground, as best as I can believe, are that there are not many Russian nationals from Russia who have joined with the separatists, but a lot of Ukrainians from other parts of the Ukraine who have gone there to join the separatists. I can't evaluate who they are or why. Maybe they are largely people with political or cultural ties to Russia. I would believe Russia has encouraged or even instigated the "separatists".

But then comes the question of why Russia is doing this, and you missed the post I did yesterday about the history behind Russia's position.

Russia has decades' of grief to vent about what we have done in the former USSR holdings, which they have taken without strong resistance because of their weak position. But Putin has significantly improved his military, and he now has China's backing. Russia is supporting China's claims over Taiwan, which appear to be a coming invasion of the island that never was Chinese territory. It was Formosa before Chiang Kai Shek evacuated his forces to that island. Japan had held it for some time.

Biden's debacle in Afghanistan has led our major opponents to believe we will do nothing, and Biden is doing nothing but bearding the Russian bear by not getting Zelensky to pull back and negotiate. We keep screaming about Russia's movements, but you're an idiot if you don't know either what Ukraine has done or why Russia is concerned with what is going on. Or why they think they can run this crap on us.

you, Red, Biden and most of our Establishment bureaucrats ate taking us into another stupid war. A war we could avoid if we used our good sense. Without ceding Ukraine to Russia. If we were not just corrupt brokers of kingpins in corrupt countries, we could have credible and beneficial influence, not just get ourselves bogged down in wars we can't win.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Putin was going to use his military the second he felt he could, before he dies. Turns out China has been emboldened in his lifetime by Walmart. It all goes back to Walmart.

 

[Avery]

Fox News and similar outlets think so little of their viewers that they’ll just pretend that isolating Ukraine and propping up Putin weren’t part of the 2016 GOP platform even though it happened and wasn’t a secret.

Minds of goldfish.

 

[Archie Moses]

Honest question, should we be scared?

 

[Avery]

Honest question, should we be scared?

Personal safety, no. Some WW3 with Russia and China on one side and NATO powers on the other isn’t in the cards.

Global stock markets will get further crippled which won’t help economic efforts so inflation will continue to be a prolonged issue as well as dwindling returns.

Ukraine has asked for financial support and sanctions to protect themselves, but the reality is that Russia will likely take the country if we just let things go unchecked.

Putin will just pass the brunt of the sanctions to his people just like he always has.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Fox News and similar outlets think so little of their viewers that they’ll just pretend that isolating Ukraine and propping up Putin weren’t part of the 2016 GOP platform even though it happened and wasn’t a secret.

Minds of goldfish.

You must be living in an alternate universe. Here is reality: During Dubya Russia rolled in to take Georgia. During Obama Russia rolled in to take Crimea. Now during Biden Russia has rolled in to take Ukraine. Only one President caused Russia to stop.

That wasn’t coincidence. Trump was the first President to ship lethal weapons in to Ukraine. Trump also sanctioned the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and any company who worked on it because of the leverage that pipeline would give to Russia by circumventing Ukraine. Then Biden came in to office and on May 19, 2021 Biden dropped all Nord Stream 2 sanctions to let Russia continue building the pipeline. Now Biden in the last few days has reinstituted the Nord Stream 2 sanctions because Trump was correct.

It wasn’t just Nord Stream 2 that Trump sanctioned. Trump issued more sanctions on Russia, Russian companies, and Russian oligarchs than any President in history. It was not dumb luck that Putin stopped for the four years of Trump.

"during Trump’s four years in power, a record forty-plus rounds of sanctions have been slapped on Russia. Many of them are enshrined in law, meaning they are here to stay."

Trump May Be Leaving, But Russia Sanctions Will Stay

Sanctions are becoming a form of economic regulation in this era of new protectionism. By virtue of its unique position in the world, the United States has the most opportunities to exercise this kind of regulation in its own interests.

carnegiemoscow.org

Normally when I hear this kind of nonsense about the 2016 GOP candidate propping up Russia, it is coming from absolute morons who can’t recognize that their twitter feed may have had bad information. Yes Trump didn’t always say mean things about Putin, Trump wanted dirt on his opponent and weapons were delayed 84 days but Trump shipped the weapons in to Ukraine and was the first President to do so. I’m disappointed with your repeating this obvious falsehood Avery because normally you are more receptive to a broader set of information sources. Biden was wrong to signal to Russia by lifting the sanctions on Nord Stream 2 that we were returning to Obama era permissiveness, and the Russian incursion into Ukraine may be a direct result.

Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election

President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

www.reuters.com

 

[LogGrad98]

Fox News and similar outlets think so little of their viewers that they’ll just pretend that isolating Ukraine and propping up Putin weren’t part of the 2016 GOP platform even though it happened and wasn’t a secret.

Minds of goldfish.

Nah, scientists have proven that goldfish have better memories. And better skills of discernment than most Americans. After all goldfish won't eat their own ****.






Yes the bar is that low.

 

[Avery]

You must be living in an alternate universe. Here is reality: During Dubya Russia rolled in to take Georgia. During Obama Russia rolled in to take Crimea. Now during Biden Russia has rolled in to take Ukraine. Only one President caused Russia to stop.

That wasn’t coincidence. Trump was the first President to ship lethal weapons in to Ukraine. Trump also sanctioned the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and any company who worked on it because of the leverage that pipeline would give to Russia by circumventing Ukraine. Then Biden came in to office and on May 19, 2021 Biden dropped all Nord Stream 2 sanctions to let Russia continue building the pipeline. Now Biden in the last few days has reinstituted the Nord Stream 2 sanctions because Trump was correct.

It wasn’t just Nord Stream 2 that Trump sanctioned. Trump issued more sanctions on Russia, Russian companies, and Russian oligarchs than any President in history. It was not dumb luck that Putin stopped for the four years of Trump.



Normally when I hear this kind of nonsense about the 2016 GOP candidate propping up Russia, it is coming from absolute morons who can’t recognize that their twitter feed may have had bad information. Yes Trump didn’t always say mean things about Putin, Trump wanted dirt on his opponent and weapons were delayed 84 days but Trump shipped the weapons in to Ukraine and was the first President to do so. I’m disappointed with your repeating this obvious falsehood Avery because normally you are more receptive to a broader set of information sources. Biden was wrong to signal to Russia by lifting the sanctions on Nord Stream 2 that we were returning to Obama era permissiveness, and the Russian incursion into Ukraine may be a direct result.

Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election

President Barack Obama was caught on camera on Monday assuring outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election.

www.reuters.com

The Mueller report couldn’t find any direct link that Trump ordered such an initiative, but let’s not pretend that when you surround yourself with guys like Manafort and allowing individuals aligned with you vast range to make policy decisions that the campaign was largely sympathetic to Russia.

No one person or admin is the sole reason we’re here today, but it’s disingenuous to lay the blame on one when history shows many missteps along the way.

 

[Archie Moses]

Personal safety, no. Some WW3 with Russia and China on our side and NATO powers on the other isn’t in the cards.

Global stock markets will get further crippled which won’t help economic efforts so inflation will continue to be a prolonged issue as well as dwindling returns.

Ukraine has asked for financial support and sanctions to protect themselves, but the reality is that Russia will likely take the country if we just let things go unchecked.

Putin will just pass the brunt of the sanctions to his people just like he always has.

Thanks, man. That's pretty much what I've read too.

 

[Archie Moses]

Nah, scientists have proven that goldfish have better memories. And better skills of discernment than most Americans. After all goldfish won't eat their own ****.






Yes the bar is that low.

You son of a bitch bastard you. Haha

 

[Al-O-Meter]

The Mueller report couldn’t find any direct link that Trump ordered such an initiative

I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about here. The Mueller report had nothing to do with confirming sanctions issued against Nord Stream 2 or any other sanctions because they were all very public with most of them being passed into actual law. The weapons shipment to Ukraine too were very public. Nothing I wrote about with regard to numbers of sanctions or dates of invasions under Bush, Obama, or Biden is in any way debated and none of it had anything to do with the Mueller report.

Are you reduced to anti-Trump non sequiturs to distract from how monumentally Biden has bungled this? Biden *IS* the President. Biden eased the sanctions on Nord Stream 2. Biden owns this.