Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

You are speaking in absolutes. Everyone thought Wiggins was the greatest player in years too.

Exactly. Which is why you need to draft 3 lottery guys hoping that one of them really hits. There's really no other path.

 

[nateboz]

Well we already did it once and some of my favorite times were when we were sucking *** with the core 4. I had tons of fun watching favors, kanter, hayward, and burks and dreaming of what they could become (they become nothing lol.)

That's my point. We didnt get a ring. That said I really wonder what the financial side would look at a full rebuild vs. Retooling.

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[Elizah Huge]

How long was Memphis in the lotto? OKC will be out after this year most likely. Hit on one pick in the high end of the lotto… hit on one middle round pick and you are solid… especially if you have a **** ton of capital stacked up.

Even the sixers as many dumb things as they had happened had like three bad seasons? We also aren’t trading in a second round team… we are trading in a first round team at best.

The Grizzlies were in the lottery 3 years in a row and they are the best case scenario for this.

Philadelphia was in the lottery 6 years in a row lmao.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

It’s quiet today. Maybe everyone is taking the day off.

I'm betting that Ainge is cooking fools and showing that he's not just going to bend over backwards to make BRK and PHX happy.

 

[mhindy]

The team won’t be mediocre if we trade for Ayton amongst other moves.

Mitchell and ayton isn't winning ****. We just traded Gobert in the division, it's absolutely insane to think our best play is to try to win now.

It's also going to cause the Jazz to miss out on maximizing return on Bogey, not let them take back bad salary, etc all for a guy who is definitely going to ask out in the next year if he hasn't already.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They’re already 3 years into their rebuild. This is year 4.

This is year 3… they were a 4/5 seed in the bubble and almost beat Houston 2 years ago. If they hit on Chet or any of their other picks they come out the rebuild with Chet, SGA, Giddey, Dort, a high pick in 23, cap flexibility and a crap ton of future picks… they didn’t even get that much luck. A top 5 pick in this year’s draft should net a great building block.

 

[Jazzman12]

I think there is still hope from many fans and the jazz organization that Donovan is a foundation player to build with. Im on the fence on that one. At one time I was certain he was, now im less certain but still think he might could be.

Honestly, I think Donovan still can be. Half the people in Utah that have soured on Don have done so due to his outspoken politics and the other half took Rudy’s side in the power struggle.

I’m not saying Don has done everything right, but I think he’s still the guy we were hoping he could be. Now that the Jazz have officially picked their direction, I expect an all star piece to be added before the offseason is over and a rejuvenated Donovan for 2022-23.

 

[slc]

Wonder if Donovan knows what the plan is now
Have Jazz sat down and mapped it out for him
Does he know what the trades are etc

 

[NUMBERICA]

You are speaking in absolutes. Everyone thought Wiggins was the greatest player in years too.

Sure. But nobody was talking about Jokic as a completely unique multi-MVP candidate either. I’m aware that such an argument can also be made for your position, but my position is that more picks that are higher in the draft always increase your odds of finding top-tier talent. Because it does.

 

[stitches]

This is year 3… they were a 4/5 seed in the bubble and almost beat Houston 2 years ago. If they hit on Chet or any of their other picks they come out the rebuild with Chet, SGA, Giddey, Dort, a high pick in 23, cap flexibility and a crap ton of future picks… they didn’t even get that much luck. A top 5 pick in this year’s draft should net a great building block.

Yeah, a lot of rebuilds are very dependent on luck. Do you get the no. 1 pick when Oladipo or Anthony Bennett is in contention for it or when there is a Zion/LeBron/AD type in the mix? Or when drafting at 5, can you find a sucker or two to pass on Luka and a third one to take your trade up offer? But yeah... luck plays a part in it, but it's still the best way to acquire generational talent for a small team like the Jazz.

 

[Elizah Huge]

This is year 3… they were a 4/5 seed in the bubble and almost beat Houston 2 years ago. If they hit on Chet or any of their other picks they come out the rebuild with Chet, SGA, Giddey, Dort, a high pick in 23, cap flexibility and a crap ton of future picks… they didn’t even get that much luck. A top 5 pick in this year’s draft should net a great building block.

That was a wasted year. How are you not counting that lol.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Grizzlies were in the lottery 3 years in a row and they are the best case scenario for this.

Philadelphia was in the lottery 6 years in a row lmao.

The examples to look at are Boston's last rebuild, OKC and Houston. Jazz aren't going to tank like Philadelphia.

Here is Boston's rebuild under Danny Ainge:
** 2014 - drafted Marcus Smart at #6.
** 2015 - drafted Terry Rozier at #16.
** 2016 - drafted Jaylen Brown with BRK's pick at #3
** 2017 - drafted Jayson Tatum at #3 with BRK's pick, trading back with Philly from #1
** 2018 - drafted Robert Williams at #27
** 2019 - drafted Romeo Langford at #14 and Grant Williams at #22

Their core is Smart / Brown / Tatum / Williams, a core that took 5 years to put together.

Boston also acquired big FAs like Hayward and Horford. They swung trades for Kyrie Irving and Kemba Walker. But they lost Hayward without compensation, lost Kyrie without compensation, and lost Horford without compensation before he came back a couple years later. Kemba's knees seem to have gone out on him too. So the Celtics' roster took some losses.

 

[NUMBERICA]

That was a wasted year. How are you not counting that lol.

I think you probably agree more about that year than you think. It was a wasted year and that kind of lame duck team is the exact stuff I have really no interest in.

To elaborate a little more: they missed a chance to get a high pick that year. So I would say it doesn’t qualify as a rebuild year, despite that they were obviously headed that way and the organization probably even wished they were playing for a pick.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The other thing about bottoming out is that you can rent your cap space to hoard picks and you can end up in a situation where a max cap slot is always near while developing premier talent. This hoard of assets allows the team to continue to build beyond the team becoming good because you can use it replenish the talent pipeline or use in trades for those final pieces.

Those benefits are mutually exclusive to this notion of retooling. You get the hoard being bad and strategic or you just don’t and then every move has to be perfect (or lucky, more likely).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That was a wasted year. How are you not counting that lol.

They didn’t tank… that’s how!!!

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think you probably agree more about that year than you think. It was a wasted year and that kind of lame duck team is the exact stuff I have really no interest in.

To elaborate a little more: they missed a chance to get a high pick that year. So I would say it doesn’t qualify as a rebuild year, despite that they were obviously headed that way and the organization probably even wished they were playing for a pick.

Say we traded Donovan and got a player back in the deal that lead us to the play-in game. That would be ****ing terrible. They got set back a year for what? To get an extra pick for Paul?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

OKC literally has Shai, Giddey and just had picks 2/11/12 in the most recent draft and they are literally going to be **** again. We can only hope to be close to what they are now in 3-4 years if we trade Mitchell for picks.

What we really want to do is build a competitive team piece by piece and keep drafting in the lottery with other teams' picks. NOLA has Laker picks. HOU has BRK picks. That's what we want.

 

[Elizah Huge]

They didn’t tank… that’s how!!!

It is textbook what we shouldn’t do if we traded Donovan. We can get a piece like Shai but I have no interest in keeping players that will make us any semblance of being respectable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Grizzlies were in the lottery 3 years in a row and they are the best case scenario for this.

Philadelphia was in the lottery 6 years in a row lmao.

Okay lmao… when did the process start? They had 4 ****** seasons from the time they started the process… and they missed on picks and had all sorts of weird **** happen… and still came out with a team that is a contender. The two years in the lotto the years before were they trying but still sucking years.

Look SA did the.. stay competitive thing for a few years … wasted several years in the middle… and what do they have to show for it? They get to start to tank now… that is where we are headed if we don’t trade Don… making the play in and getting the 12th pick… sounds fun.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I’d much rather have a competitive team that has a shot of making it to the second round or WCF than punt on 5 years and hope we build a competitive team from scratch.

If you could guarantee me Wemby or Scoot I’d do it but you can’t. It’s a 14% chance at best at Wemby.

I can just see us getting the 3rd or 4th pick and being in the lottery the next 4 years after.

If we picked at #3 or #4 in the next draft, the Jazz would be getting a prospect who is likely as good as Donovan or better, and he'd be under team control for 7 years at least.