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Shad said:
Man, what a turnaround the Jazz could have in 2 years if we got Scoot or Victor.
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Make no doubt Victor is the prize here.

I think Locke has been throwing out big hints about the fact that 6'-1" lead playmakers are going extinct in the NBA. In a few years half the teams will have 6'-8" playmakers. He's mentioned it on his last video and on the scrimmage broadcast. As excellent as Scoot has played in the G League when is the last time a 6' guard was the #1 guy on a championship team? Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons back in the day? Steph Curry is a few inches taller but there will likely never be another player who can create that kind of gravity not to mention Draymond is the defacto playmaker for them. Locke also made mention that both the Jazz PG's Conley and Sexton are both over 40% catch and shoot guys. They seem to be having their bigger wings such as NAW initiate the offense. It's moving more toward positionless basketball.

If they don't get very, very lucky to land #1 than I would think DA probably has enough draft capital between their own lottery pick and all the future unprotected picks to land which ever prospect he wants in this coming draft. Someone like Amen Thompson really fits the bill as a big 6'-7" wing that can create and playmake.
 
HeatCheck said:
Make no doubt Victor is the prize here.

I think Locke has been throwing out big hints about the fact that 6'-1" lead playmakers are going extinct in the NBA. In a few years half the teams will have 6'-8" playmakers. He's mentioned it on his last video and on the scrimmage broadcast. As excellent as Scoot has played in the G League when is the last time a 6' guard was the #1 guy on a championship team? Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons back in the day? Steph Curry is a few inches taller but there will likely never be another player who can create that kind of gravity not to mention Draymond is the defacto playmaker for them. Locke also made mention that both the Jazz PG's Conley and Sexton are both over 40% catch and shoot guys. They seem to be having their bigger wings such as NAW initiate the offense. It's moving more toward positionless basketball.

If they don't get very, very lucky to land #1 than I would think DA probably has enough draft capital between their own lottery pick and all the future unprotected picks to land which ever prospect he wants in this coming draft. Someone like Amen Thompson really fits the bill as a big 6'-7" wing that can create and playmake.
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Scoot 6'2 with a 6'9 wingspan.
 
HeatCheck said:
Make no doubt Victor is the prize here.

I think Locke has been throwing out big hints about the fact that 6'-1" lead playmakers are going extinct in the NBA. In a few years half the teams will have 6'-8" playmakers. He's mentioned it on his last video and on the scrimmage broadcast. As excellent as Scoot has played in the G League when is the last time a 6' guard was the #1 guy on a championship team? Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons back in the day? Steph Curry is a few inches taller but there will likely never be another player who can create that kind of gravity not to mention Draymond is the defacto playmaker for them. Locke also made mention that both the Jazz PG's Conley and Sexton are both over 40% catch and shoot guys. They seem to be having their bigger wings such as NAW initiate the offense. It's moving more toward positionless basketball.

If they don't get very, very lucky to land #1 than I would think DA probably has enough draft capital between their own lottery pick and all the future unprotected picks to land which ever prospect he wants in this coming draft. Someone like Amen Thompson really fits the bill as a big 6'-7" wing that can create and playmake.
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If the Jazz draft 2 you definitely take Scoot and figure it out. He has all of the tools and can collapse the defense. I like the idea of Amen, but the limited body of work we have to compare him with and his rough shot gives me a lot of pause. I'd probably take him 3rd at this point though and be real excited about it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Scoot 6'2 with a 6'9 wingspan.
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looks like might be close but my guess is he is shorter and not as long if Ignite records as bad as they have been in the past are inflating his anthro.
Jalen Green for example is 6'4 not 6'6 like he was listed in the g. They don't care about it anyway if you can fly though
 
framer said:
If the Jazz draft 2 you definitely take Scoot and figure it out. He has all of the tools and can collapse the defense. I like the idea of Amen, but the limited body of work we have to compare him with and his rough shot gives me a lot of pause. I'd probably take him 3rd at this point though and be real excited about it.
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They are more likely not drafting 1-4 imo
 
Eddie Zero said:
They are more likely not drafting 1-4 imo
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Why, because we beat the Blazers? Houston beat the Toronto team that buried us by double digits. You think they are not tanking either? OKC beat Denver by 11. Are they out of the tank race as well?

If you really think Ainge is going to push for the play in, I don't know what to tell you.
 
Portland is getting destroyed by the Kangs. We might just suck after all.

Someone needs to create a quality tank tracking thread, but since it will be around all year it better be good.
 
framer said:
Portland is getting destroyed by the Kangs. We might just suck after all.

Someone needs to create a quality tank tracking thread, but since it will be around all year it better be good.
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Rule #1:
Never trust preseason. It only matters if it does. Otherwise, it doesn't

Rule #2:
You can't tell if it matters yet (and probably not for at least a month).
 
Suggs for Orlando apparently out for a bit. Think that helps us as he was horrid last year and the team can't be worse with him gone right?

All joking aside... pray for the good players in Washington, Orlando, Detroit to stay healthy beginning of the year to boost ownership's resolve not to tank hard. Get that play in spot boys!
 
There's a chance, albeit a bit slim, that the Jazz are actually a touch worse than the Rockets this year. Could be close. I think they're a bit more athletic than we are, and they have a bit more size in their backcourt than we do.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
There's a chance, albeit a bit slim, that the Jazz are actually a touch worse than the Rockets this year. Could be close. I think they're a bit more athletic than we are, and they have a bit more size in their backcourt than we do.
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It’s less about athleticism and size. Young teams that allocate a lot of minutes and possession usage to young developing players will lose a **** ton of games. I think they are a lock for bottom 3… I’m not sure we can even be bottom 5 given the amount of functional nba players we have.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s less about athleticism and size. Young teams that allocate a lot of minutes and possession usage to young developing players will lose a **** ton of games. I think they are a lock for bottom 3… I’m not sure we can even be bottom 5 given the amount of functional nba players we have.
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If the Jazz put Sexton, THT, NAW, Vanderbilt and Kessler on the floor together, that group is going to suck on both sides of the ball. The Jazz have it in them to lose with anyone this year.
 
One aspect of our schedule that could backfire on us is that there always seems to be unexpected upsets at the start of the year. Usually bad teams are playing hard to prove themselves and good teams don't take the regular season as seriously. As a playoff contender I would prefer to have my toughest schedule at the start of the year and as a tanking team it would make sense to have our toughest schedule at the end of the year.

I think our team is a little unique in that we are probably hoping to showcase some of our vets before the trade deadline, in which case it is probably better to have our toughest schedule before the trade deadline so that we can play our winning players, but still lose due to the competition. Hopefully we haven't piled up too many wins by the trade deadline.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
If the Jazz put Sexton, THT, NAW, Vanderbilt and Kessler on the floor together, that group is going to suck on both sides of the ball. The Jazz have it in them to lose with anyone this year.
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As long as Conley, Sexton, JC, Lauri are around they will get 30 min. a night. KO/Vando will be around the 25-30 minutes a night. Leaves little time for THT, NAW, JB to get in there are mess stuff up. Kessler I think is perfectly functional for 12-15 minutes a night. Not sure he is one of those rookies that plays and you are so bad in those minutes that it really hurts you.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
One aspect of our schedule that could backfire on us is that there always seems to be unexpected upsets at the start of the year. Usually bad teams are playing hard to prove themselves and good teams don't take the regular season as seriously. As a playoff contender I would prefer to have my toughest schedule at the start of the year and as a tanking team it would make sense to have our toughest schedule at the end of the year.

I think our team is a little unique in that we are probably hoping to showcase some of our vets before the trade deadline, in which case it is probably better to have our toughest schedule before the trade deadline so that we can play our winning players, but still lose due to the competition. Hopefully we haven't piled up too many wins by the trade deadline.
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Yes and no... some teams will have less to play for end of season so you might get the night where the Clips/Bucks rest everybody. Having a lot of tanking teams scheduled end of year is not great though as those teams will have fully thrown in the towel.

We have a key two game set vs Houston beginning of the year. One game off a back to back. will tell us a lot about our approach this year. Do we rest a bunch of guys one night. Are we able to get the split? Really don't want to go 2-0... those are must lose games.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
If the Jazz put Sexton, THT, NAW, Vanderbilt and Kessler on the floor together, that group is going to suck on both sides of the ball. The Jazz have it in them to lose with anyone this year.
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If you put Markkanen on the floor instead of Vandy it would likely be an even bigger tank unit. I like Markk but it's fairly obvious he needs to play next to a defender who can rebound and do some of the dirty work. The Cavs had him next to 2 defending bigs which was the secret sauce to playing Lauri at the 3 last season.
 
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