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RealGM reports Jazz interested in Trading for John Collins

fishonjazz said:
Ya we can barely get the ball to lauri. Thats why he is having career highs in everything and will likely be an all star.


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He ranks 92nd in usage rate for NBA, between Collin Sexton and Keon Johnson. 39th for forwards.

In touches he is 114th overall and 49th among forwards. Thays even more of a disgrace because of the minutes he plays.

Even in the category on centers, he is 19th in touches, between offensive juggernauts Valanciunas and Jarrett Allen.

So no, we are not feeding him as his production deserves. Imagine how much hidden potential there is.
 
sip said:
He isn't getting nearly enough shots. He needs to be getting close to 20 shots a game.
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He NEEDS 20 shots per game in order for what exactly to occur? I like being in first place and having Lauri be an all star.
He is getting more shots than ever before. He is happy. I'm happy.
Maybe more shots brings worse efficiency and more losses.
I'm good with what we are doing. Lauri is good with it. Coach is. We are in first place with the toughest schedule in the league. I'm not going to complain.
 
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HermanG said:
He ranks 92nd in usage rate for NBA, between Collin Sexton and Keon Johnson. 39th for forwards.

In touches he is 114th overall and 49th among forwards. Thays even more of a disgrace because of the minutes he plays.

Even in the category on centers, he is 19th in touches, between offensive juggernauts Valanciunas and Jarrett Allen.

So no, we are not feeding him as his production deserves. Imagine how much hidden potential there is.
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That is your opinion. What we are doing is working for the team and for Lauri. Maybe more touches leads to worse efficiency. All I know i ls the way he is being used is making him an all star and making our team first in the West with the toughest schedule in the league.
I'm cool with that.
 
sip said:
He isn't getting nearly enough shots. He needs to be getting close to 20 shots a game.
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We literally just traded a guy who took exactly 20 shots per game and we hated that fact (Mitchell took 20 shots per game last year in 34 minutes. Lauri is getting 15 shots in 32 minutes)
This team is about everyone eating. And it works. And it's fun. I like watching this team.
 
Clarkson takes 15.9 shots per game. Lauri takes 15.2 shots per game.
Beasley takes 11.1. No one else in the team attempts double digit shots per game.
I like the balance.
 
fishonjazz said:
Clarkson takes 15.9 shots per game. Lauri takes 15.2 shots per game.
Beasley takes 11.1. No one else in the team attempts double digit shots per game.
I like the balance.
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Agreed that is the way Hardy wants them to play.

I might prefer Clarkson take 1-2 fewer shots a night but can't argue with the results so far.
 
Release the Kraken said:
I think we’re giving up too much firepower in that deal. One or the other maybe, not both. Rather move Sexton and filler, I.e., Gay, NAW, Azubuike, Bolmaro (whatever they want out of that group) and like you say, a single first.

Definitely rather wait till the 15th of December and deal Sexton ahead of Clarkson or Beasley.
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Yeah but no way ATL wants Sexton coming off injury not looking like his old self yet on that deal. the other 2 might be enough fire power for them to agree since their deals are shorter and they get out of paying Collins. I really think it is no secret the ATL front office has been shopping him for awhile now. If anyone can get it done Danny can. I however don't want Collins on this roster at all, I think without a freak playmaker like Trae or even Dejounte on the Jazz , Collins is just Vander 2.0.
 
fishonjazz said:
That is your opinion. What we are doing is working for the team and for Lauri. Maybe more touches leads to worse efficiency. All I know i ls the way he is being used is making him an all star and making our team first in the West with the toughest schedule in the league.
I'm cool with that.
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I dont dispute this. And you may be 100% correct. Im just so hyped about him. I want MOOOOORE!

But surely you cant say those touch numbers look good?
 
HermanG said:
I dont dispute this. And you may be 100% correct. Im just so hyped about him. I want MOOOOORE!

But surely you cant say those touch numbers look good?
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Ya fwiw in the gamethread last night someone posted that lauri should touch the ball every possession and i quoted the post and responded with “this”
So i get it and even feel the same as you guys to a point. Especially as im watching the game.

But when i step back and look at the bigger picture I see that the picture of this team is a picasso.

Forcing the ball to lauri might make his efficiency go down, make more losses, make us easier to defend (defense could key way more on one guy), and might take the other players out of their rythm and hurt their game.

Now on the other hand i think we are undefeated when lauri scores over 20 points per game so maybe more touches would only make us better.

I dont know, thanks for the civil debate though and i do respect your opinion and agree with a lot of it.


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fishonjazz said:
Ya fwiw in the gamethread last night someone posted that lauri should touch the ball every possession and i quoted the post and responded with “this”
So i get it and even feel the same as you guys to a point. Especially as im watching the game.

But when i step back and look at the bigger picture I see that the picture of this team is a picasso.

Forcing the ball to lauri might make his efficiency go down, make more losses, make us easier to defend (defense could key way more on one guy), and might take the other players out of their rythm and hurt their game.

Now on the other hand i think we are undefeated when lauri scores over 20 points per game so maybe more touches would only make us better.

I dont know, thanks for the civil debate though and i do respect your opinion and agree with a lot of it.


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Likewise to the last point.

Its just one of those situations where you get so exited over a guy you want him to take every shot. Its not sensible, its a 5 yo "I just want" thing..

Its likely not wise, its likely gonna drop his efficiency.. but I'm just dying to see him post a 50 point game as I know he has that in him.

After he does that, we can go back to the "equal opportunity" system.
 
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