RealGM reports Jazz interested in Trading for John Collins

[KqWIN]

The only guy I’d change my assessment on from 2 weeks ago is Beasley… it’s partly what he’s doing now but it’s also that he’s had moments like this in the past and injuries/off court issues/coaching and personnel changes kinda blocked him from building on it.

I’m just not sure on Collins… prolly need to watch him more. If the market value is that he’s not a positive given his contract then I’d see what we could cobble together. Because of contract size it’s likely costing one of Beasley/Mike/KO… would need to be a three team deal if it’s Mike as there isn’t really a need. If it was KO and Vando plus filler I’d prolly do that. I’d be really hesitant to put Malik in that deal.

When you think of what we need next to Lauri/JC/Mike I think Collins tics a few boxes. Could be some issues in Atlanta that make it a great value… it’s interesting/tempting.

His poor form is what makes it a real opportunity IMO. If Collins was averaging 22/10 on 66 TS% this wouldn't be a discussion because he wouldn't come cheap....but he's at lowest. I feel like we'd be on the right side of a buy low, sell high transaction.

I personally like his fit next to Lauri going forward, but I also just see this as a good opportunity to get a talented player that we can rehabilitate. Collins isn't perfect, but I trust Hardy to get the most out of him and if he can that would be a huge reward. I like what he's done with everyone else on the roster and think he can do the same with Collins.

 

[Elizah Huge]

His poor form is what makes it a real opportunity IMO. If Collins was averaging 22/10 on 66 TS% this wouldn't be a discussion because he wouldn't come cheap....but he's at lowest. I feel like we'd be on the right side of a buy low, sell high transaction.

I personally like his fit next to Lauri going forward, but I also just see this as a good opportunity to get a talented player that we can rehabilitate. Collins isn't perfect, but I trust Hardy to get the most out of him and if he can that would be a huge reward. I like what he's done with everyone else on the roster and think he can do the same with Collins.

Very well said. Sums it up perfectly.

 

[Pinhead]

Very well said. Sums it up perfectly.

I like the concept… but I just don’t know what contracts we’d send out. Had Collins value dropped enough that KO and Gay would be enough of a pick was attached?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The best argument for going after John Collins might be Kevin Huerter.

 

[fishonjazz]

It is frustrating to always have to educate some of you. The jazz are 10-0 when Lauri scores over 20 points. The jazz are 9-1 when Lauri takes 15 or more shots. The jazz are 3 and 5 when Lauri takes under 14 shots a game. The bottom line is that the jazz are a much better team when Lauri is aggressive and more of a focal point.

Educate me lol. Maybe someone should educate you on how to read since I literally posted this a couple posts above yours:

Now on the other hand i think we are undefeated when lauri scores over 20 points per game so maybe more touches would only make us better.


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[KqWIN]

The best argument for going after John Collins might be Kevin Huerter.

I honestly think the best argument is Lauri Markannen. Look what a change of scenery did for him. Same could happen for Collins. It's not glamorous, but people need to realize you're not going to get some young up and coming star who's playing super well for cheap. What the Jazz can get are undervalued players who aren't in the right situation. Half the team is a bunch of former misfits that Hardy has revived. Like Collins they had real flaws and questions marks, but in the right situation (our situation) they can succeed.

 

[Tom349]

I love the idea of either Kuzma or Grant on this team, but what’s even the pathway to acquire one of them?

Would’ve loved a Bogey/Grant swap early on, but I don’t see how Portland lets him get away at this point.

Both are free agents in the off season. Kuz went to college in Utah and is tailor made for our system. I can't see Portland paying Grant 25-30m a season and being in Luxury tax hell.

His poor form is what makes it a real opportunity IMO. If Collins was averaging 22/10 on 66 TS% this wouldn't be a discussion because he wouldn't come cheap....but he's at lowest. I feel like we'd be on the right side of a buy low, sell high transaction.

I personally like his fit next to Lauri going forward, but I also just see this as a good opportunity to get a talented player that we can rehabilitate. Collins isn't perfect, but I trust Hardy to get the most out of him and if he can that would be a huge reward. I like what he's done with everyone else on the roster and think he can do the same with Collins.

Anyone can fit next to Lauri or at least on offense they can. Not sure how the fit with Collins works on defense but the current issue with Olynyk is poor help defense due to a lack of athleticism whereas this in theory is where Collins would thrive whether he is smart enough to make the right read is another question. I think in a worst case scenario is if we traded for Collins and he wasn't a great fit with the starting line up then he would become the best sixth in the comp which with Lauri on his current contract you could afford to have Collins come off the bench or start in a Favors type token starting role.

Also just on Collins, before Capella he had 28.% frequency as the Pick and Roll man, each season since it has decreased and is currently at 12.9%.

 

[porfavors]

Ainge is get him for 2045 2nd round pick?

 

[The Midnight]

Can he shoot the 3? If no I don’t want him.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Both are free agents in the off season. Kuz went to college in Utah and is tailor made for our system. I can't see Portland paying Grant 25-30m a season and being in Luxury tax hell.



Anyone can fit next to Lauri or at least on offense they can. Not sure how the fit with Collins works on defense but the current issue with Olynyk is poor help defense due to a lack of athleticism whereas this in theory is where Collins would thrive whether he is smart enough to make the right read is another question. I think in a worst case scenario is if we traded for Collins and he wasn't a great fit with the starting line up then he would become the best sixth in the comp which with Lauri on his current contract you could afford to have Collins come off the bench or start in a Favors type token starting role.

Also just on Collins, before Capella he had 28.% frequency as the Pick and Roll man, each season since it has decreased and is currently at 12.9%.

I think we’d have to trade for one of them before the deadline - which I’m totally open to having the Jazz do that. Just not sure who the Wizards or Blazers would even want in a swap that the Jazz should be open to moving. I’d like to see the team keep Markkanen, Beasley, Kessler, Vando, THT, Agbaji, Fontecchio and Sexton (for now). Also, I’m pretty sure JC has earned an extension for beyond this season.

That leaves Conley, Olynyk, Gay, NAW, Bolmaro and Azibuike who are reasonably expendable. Not sure there’s enough value to get a deal done without including a premium draft asset too. Not sure I want to do that quite yet - and especially not for anyone who isn’t star material and moves the needle for next season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Both are free agents in the off season. Kuz went to college in Utah and is tailor made for our system. I can't see Portland paying Grant 25-30m a season and being in Luxury tax hell.



Anyone can fit next to Lauri or at least on offense they can. Not sure how the fit with Collins works on defense but the current issue with Olynyk is poor help defense due to a lack of athleticism whereas this in theory is where Collins would thrive whether he is smart enough to make the right read is another question. I think in a worst case scenario is if we traded for Collins and he wasn't a great fit with the starting line up then he would become the best sixth in the comp which with Lauri on his current contract you could afford to have Collins come off the bench or start in a Favors type token starting role.

Also just on Collins, before Capella he had 28.% frequency as the Pick and Roll man, each season since it has decreased and is currently at 12.9%.

We aren’t likely to have cap space at this point. If we keep Beasley,THT, and Mike then we can’t really sign those types outright. Could swing sign and trades I suppose.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

I mean if the Jazz really like Collins and Hawks want to part with the Rookie Griffin with him, for more tested vet like JC to fill that role for their playoff piush , and maybe slightly more proven contributor in the same type in Beasley. I can see a small amount of light through that crack. Collins Griffin and a 1st round pick swap in 2023 for JC Beasley and a lottery protected Cavs first