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Taiwan's position as an assured American protectorate has everything to do with the importance or more importantly declining importance of the Taiwanese economy to the west. Taiwan's dominance (near monopoly) of semiconductor manufacturing is declining with this Taiwan is less important to the west. Taiwan's security position will be more linked to that than anything else.
I think it has more to do with maintaining the post WWII order where invasion and conquest by major powers has been vanquished than protecting access to semiconductors or enriching defense contractors. If Russia and China can invade neighbors at will, it sends the world back to the pre-WWII era, which is extremely dangerous.
 
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There’s more of that nuanced political discussion found here where you lie and put words in my mouth. I never said Russia should have a pass. I don’t blame the US for all the problems in the world, but I do agree with you the US has been a bad actor in world affairs MANY times! I think policing the entire world it’s a tough situation to be in. I think it’s an incredibly tough gig and one I think the US should get the hell out of. Especially as it relates to places that according to our own policy we have no business being in.
I mean scale it down and look at all the problems the local police are blamed for and how often they are in no win situations. Im not saying we don’t need local police or that they aren’t serving an important role, because I think they are, but I do think we could scale it way back with the militarization of local police departments especially if those moneys and resources can be better utilized in more productive programs that benefit everyday Americans.
Yeah I don't see value in engaging with you. You call me a liar? GFYS.
 
For the record, I repeated my understanding of what Mongoose said followed by a question mark. That was me basically saying "is this what you meant?" He called me a liar in response.

He continues to not say what he means or lay out what he's even arguing about in a clear way.
 
Yeah I don't see value in engaging with you. You call me a liar? GFYS.
There’s a simple remedy for that. I promise I won’t call you a liar as long as you don’t lie about things I said or in this case things I never said.

So far my theory about folks that hate trump because he’s in their shadow is holding up pretty good too. Plenty of lies being directed at me by quite a few different people here.
 
There’s a simple remedy for that. I promise I won’t call you a liar as long as you don’t lie about things I said or in this case things I never said.

So far my theory about folks that hate trump because he’s in their shadow is holding up pretty good too. Plenty of lies being directed at me by quite a few different people here.
I'm not even talking about Trump you nitwit. Like I said, I posted my understanding of what you said followed by a question mark. That was me asking if I was understanding you correctly. I also said in the last sentence that you "seem" to be saying... I used the word "seem" again to indicate how I was interpreting what you said and essentially asking for clarification. A lie is different than a misunderstanding or a mistake. Calling people liars is hostile and unproductive, yet you've done it over and over to many people when they were absolutely not lying, all while crying about the incivility of the forum.

I'm not paying anymore attention to you.
 
For the record, I repeated my understanding of what Mongoose said followed by a question mark. That was me basically saying "is this what you meant?" He called me a liar in response.

He continues to not say what he means or lay out what he's even arguing about in a clear way.
I don’t see the need to put words in my mouth. The discussion doesn’t seem to be over your head but maybe I’m wrong. if you need more explanation I think we can clarify in ways that don’t require you putting words in my mouth.
 
I don’t see the need to put words in my mouth. The discussion doesn’t seem to be over your head but maybe I’m wrong. if you need more explanation I think we can clarify in ways that don’t require you putting words in my mouth.
Did you just say I put words in your mouth?

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Do you see that this is me asking what you said? I mean does that make sense to you. I'm not responding to you anymore.
 
Did you just say I put words in your mouth?

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Do you see that this is me asking what you said? I mean does that make sense to you. I'm not responding to you anymore.
Actually I’m willing to admit I should have replied differently. I conflated your response along with thrillers response that I believe the US is to blame for all the worlds problems.
You must admit it does seem a bit suspicious that I propose some questions about war with China yet everyone only wants to press me for my views on Ukraine. Much of which I’ve already made in another thread. Can we not learn a few things from each other about the situation in Taiwan?
This is said to be a place for political discussion but it still feels very much like a partisan echo chamber.
 
I’m attacked and questioned about every single claim I make all the while being called a trump supporter or maga etc. I’ve not been allowed my opinions without being bullied and and you all know it.
You made this claim:

So I’ve heard that those people who are obsessed with Trump are obsessed because they see trump in their own shadow and that is why they hate him so much

In response, I said:

That’s interesting, might be some truth to that I suppose. People do often project their own faults onto others as well, kind of a similar dynamic.
You said you were “attacked and questioned about every single claim”. How does my reply constitute an attack of your claim?

So far my theory about folks that hate trump because he’s in their shadow is holding up pretty good too
Really? I said it was “interesting” and “may be some truth” to that. But have you provided any real evidence that ties that claim to specific posters in this thread? If it’s holding up, can you name a specific poster here, and describe how Trump is really their shadow? I did not attack you. I did not attack your claim. I expressed some interest in it. Now, can you offer evidence for your claim?
 
You made this claim:



In response, I said:


You said you were “attacked and questioned about every single claim”. How does my reply constitute an attack of your claim?


Really? I said it was “interesting” and “may be some truth” to that. But have you provided any real evidence that ties that claim to specific posters in this thread? If it’s holding up, can you name a specific poster here, and describe how Trump is really their shadow? I did not attack you. I did not attack your claim. I expressed some interest in it. Now, can you offer evidence for your claim?
I think you could probably look at just about any response thriller has ever replied to me with especially when I first started posting here. It’s usually filled with insults and condescension. He’s been more vague recently but still very trump like in his replies. Telling me to go back to my hardware job or whatever. Very petty and angry which is also trump like. I dunno- that’s just off the top of my head.
 
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For the record, I repeated my understanding of what Mongoose said followed by a question mark. That was me basically saying "is this what you meant?" He called me a liar in response.

He continues to not say what he means or lay out what he's even arguing about in a clear way.
He's not mongoose. It's pretty obviously jazzyfresh, just like the other clown. Easy ignore there.
 
I am basically 100% sure he's not Jazzy.
Nah I'm sticking to my assessment. Too many verbatim same responses and the immediate turn to warmongering Dems when the conversation had nothing at all to do with it.
 
Nah I'm sticking to my assessment. Too many verbatim same responses and the immediate turn to warmongering Dems when the conversation had nothing at all to do with it.
Mongoose has been on the site for years hasn't he/she? They even have 2 accounts. I mean in how hard it is to have a productive conversation with them even when I go out of my way to give it a shot I can see it, but I just don't want to get into the mindset that every poster that rubs me the wrong way is Jazzy.
 
I don’t see the need to put words in my mouth. The discussion doesn’t seem to be over your head but maybe I’m wrong. if you need more explanation I think we can clarify in ways that don’t require you putting words in my mouth.
You really suck at articulating your thoughts in a coherent manner. Gameface has been more than patient in giving you opportunity after opportunity to explain what your views are. Instead, you’ve acted like a jackass. So you’re either a terrible communicator (and horrible reader) or just another boring troll on this site. I always figured it was the latter and thanks to you “playing dumb” it’s becoming clearer that you’re just a troll. Most likely the alt account of someone else I know…
 
Nah I'm sticking to my assessment. Too many verbatim same responses and the immediate turn to warmongering Dems when the conversation had nothing at all to do with it.
I too believe he’s another Jazzy alt. Along with heathme. He might’ve been Jazzy’s original account. Again, his life is so miserable he has to waste it on this site. He plays dumb, ignoring posts from others, then argues for the sake of arguing, and then plays the victim. Sad
 
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Mongoose has been on the site for years hasn't he/she? They even have 2 accounts. I mean in how hard it is to have a productive conversation with them even when I go out of my way to give it a shot I can see it, but I just don't want to get into the mindset that every poster that rubs me the wrong way is Jazzy.
I don't think that at all. I'm going exclusively on similar posting style, literal verbatim responses, and fall-back on inflammatory subjects to derail conversations. It's an analysis based on these 2 (ok 3) posters only. But if they are not the same person the similarities are uncanny to the point of nearly being unbelievable.
 
I don't think that at all. I'm going exclusively on similar posting style, literal verbatim responses, and fall-back on inflammatory subjects to derail conversations. It's an analysis based on these 2 (ok 3) posters only. But if they are not the same person the similarities are uncanny to the point of nearly being unbelievable.
I guess I've just assumed that they have all started to mimic the techniques used by their propaganda sources. I mean it convinced them to think the way they do so they probably think it will work on everyone else. But I respect your opinion on this and I don't think you'd be so adamant about it if you weren't confident in your conclusion.
 
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