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Roe v. Wade is going down

Al-O-Meter said:
The video I linked earlier addresses the Freakonomics claim, but the more disturbing thing about your argument is that it could be used exactly as you are using it to justify the genocide of Black Americans. I am very comfortable with my intellectually consistent position of believing the intentional killing of the unborn and a planned genocide of Black Americans are both morally abhorrent ideas.
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You're sounding like Trump, bringing up genocide of blacks then acting like you're not racist.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Except that is hasn't. The hypothesis was centered on changes to society from the introduction of birth control,
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Birth control has been around since at least the 15th century.

Al-O-Meter said:
and at no point in the 2010's did those metrics drop to pre-1960 levels. As use became more widespread, the metrics all moved in one direction and by the 2010's there was market saturation so the levels plateaued which is exactly what you'd expect to see if the hypothesis were correct.
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Except, not all levels plateaued. Some moved up, some moved down, and supposedly related measures moved in ways that defied the hypothesized relationships.

Al-O-Meter said:
It isn't the only variable but the data makes it easy to argue that it is the single strongest component.
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That should have raised your skeptical radar right there. You have all kinds of complex social changes, and you are attributing them to a single cause? That's not how the world works. There are always multiple forces at play. I could make a similar argument regarding LSD use (with the recent uptick in use preceding the recent uptick in crime), or average length of skirts/shorts on women.

Al-O-Meter said:
Looking at the data it is very difficult to make the case that it has been a net positive to society which is why most choose to pretend the data doesn't exist.
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Looking at the data, it is difficult to conclude anything, unless you want to conclude a specific thing.
 
Ron Mexico said:
So what are the reasons abortion is okay by your standards? Birth defects? Rape? Incest?
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In theory I don’t have a problem with abortions for birth defects, incest, or rape, but in practice the rape exception concerns me a bit because women lie. Our justice system is incredibly gynocentric. The family court system is notoriously biased against men, but even in the criminal courts men receive 63% longer sentences than women do for committing the same crime.

Even with as fundamentally structured as our system is to favor women, less than 1% of supposed rapes end in a felony conviction because 99% of the time women are full of crap. Remember that we are talking about women who want to kill their own children. Do you really think a woman like that will think killing her own child is fine, but saying “her truth” that isn’t the actual truth is inconceivable?

I fear that if making an allegation of rape is all that is needed to gain access to a professional who will kill her unwanted child, claims of rape will be like the claims of seeking asylum when border patrol catches those illegally crossing into the United States. It'll just be the thing they know to say. A lot more young men will wrongfully face charges of rape and the child will end up just as dead.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
In theory I don’t have a problem with abortions for birth defects, incest, or rape, but in practice the rape exception concerns me a bit because women lie. Our justice system is incredibly gynocentric. The family court system is notoriously biased against men, but even in the criminal courts men receive 63% longer sentences than women do for committing the same crime.

Even with as fundamentally structured as our system is to favor women, less than 1% of supposed rapes end in a felony conviction because 99% of the time women are full of crap. Remember that we are talking about women who want to kill their own children. Do you really think a woman like that will think killing her own child is fine, but saying “her truth” that isn’t the actual truth is inconceivable?

I fear that if making an allegation of rape is all that is needed to gain access to a professional who will kill her unwanted child, claims of rape will be like the claims of seeking asylum when border patrol catches those illegally crossing into the United States. It'll just be the thing they know to say. A lot more young men will wrongfully face charges of rape and the child will end up just as dead.
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Holy ****ing wow!

This is an actual outlook on life that a real person has?

What in the actual **** is going on?

Bro I think you were looking for www.incelzz.com
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Nah. Happily married for two decades, but when I hear stories like what former MLB pitcher Trevor Bauer went through with Lindsey Hill, I think there is something to be said for the Mike Pence rule.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk
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So you think 99% of rape allegations are made up? Like women hardly ever get raped or sexually assaulted? But they lie about at a rate of 99 to 1?

Being an incel is just as much about your attitudes towards women as it is about having sex or not.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
In theory I don’t have a problem with abortions for birth defects, incest, or rape, but in practice the rape exception concerns me a bit because women lie. Our justice system is incredibly gynocentric. The family court system is notoriously biased against men, but even in the criminal courts men receive 63% longer sentences than women do for committing the same crime.

Even with as fundamentally structured as our system is to favor women, less than 1% of supposed rapes end in a felony conviction because 99% of the time women are full of crap. Remember that we are talking about women who want to kill their own children. Do you really think a woman like that will think killing her own child is fine, but saying “her truth” that isn’t the actual truth is inconceivable?

I fear that if making an allegation of rape is all that is needed to gain access to a professional who will kill her unwanted child, claims of rape will be like the claims of seeking asylum when border patrol catches those illegally crossing into the United States. It'll just be the thing they know to say. A lot more young men will wrongfully face charges of rape and the child will end up just as dead.
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"I fear that if making an allegation of rape is all that is needed to gain access to a professional who will kill her unwanted child, claims of rape will be like the claims of seeking asylum when border patrol catches those illegally crossing into the United States. It'll just be the thing they know to say. A lot more young men will wrongfully face charges of rape and the child will end up just as dead."


You really fear that?
 
str8line said:
"I fear that if making an allegation of rape is all that is needed to gain access to a professional who will kill her unwanted child, claims of rape will be like the claims of seeking asylum when border patrol catches those illegally crossing into the United States. It'll just be the thing they know to say. A lot more young men will wrongfully face charges of rape and the child will end up just as dead."


You really fear that?
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There are women who will make that claim for far less.

Most false allegations were used to cover up other behavior such as adultery or skipping school.

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Motives for Filing a False Allegation of Rape

The list of motives by Kanin () is the most cited list of motives to file a false allegation of rape. Kanin posited that complainants file a false allegation out of revenge, to produce an alibi or to get sympathy. A new list of motives is proposed in ...
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If abortions are made illegal but a woman can get one if she only says the magic words "I was raped", yes I think there are women who will make that allegation just to get the abortion.
 
Sardines said:
So you think 99% of rape allegations are made up? Like women hardly ever get raped or sexually assaulted? But they lie about at a rate of 99 to 1?
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There are an unfortunately high number of sexual assaults that do take place, and most are quite horrific. I don’t know, and in fact I doubt, that 99% are bogus. That number relies upon the claims of feminist organizations likely pulling their sexual assault numbers from thin air.


I also know, at least where I live, the units that handle sexual assault are almost entirely made up of women. That goes for the point person taking the report, the investigators, the nurses, the criminalists in the crime lab, and the person making the charging decisions at the district attorney’s office. The low number of prosecutions isn’t from the patriarchy keeping women down.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
There are an unfortunately high number of sexual assaults that do take place, and most are quite horrific. I don’t know, and in fact I doubt, that 99% are bogus. That number relies upon the claims of feminist organizations likely pulling their sexual assault numbers from thin air.


I also know, at least where I live, the units that handle sexual assault are almost entirely made up of women. That goes for the point person taking the report, the investigators, the nurses, the criminalists in the crime lab, and the person making the charging decisions at the district attorney’s office. The low number of prosecutions isn’t from the patriarchy keeping woman down.
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And here I was thinking it was a man's world. I'm ready to put these sluts in there place! Let's GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
 
Al-O-Meter said:
In theory I don’t have a problem with abortions for birth defects, incest, or rape, but in practice the rape exception concerns me a bit because women lie. Our justice system is incredibly gynocentric. The family court system is notoriously biased against men, but even in the criminal courts men receive 63% longer sentences than women do for committing the same crime.

Even with as fundamentally structured as our system is to favor women, less than 1% of supposed rapes end in a felony conviction because 99% of the time women are full of crap. Remember that we are talking about women who want to kill their own children. Do you really think a woman like that will think killing her own child is fine, but saying “her truth” that isn’t the actual truth is inconceivable?

I fear that if making an allegation of rape is all that is needed to gain access to a professional who will kill her unwanted child, claims of rape will be like the claims of seeking asylum when border patrol catches those illegally crossing into the United States. It'll just be the thing they know to say. A lot more young men will wrongfully face charges of rape and the child will end up just as dead.
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I try not to wade in these horrible threads, but I gotta admit I'm curious about something here.

Is your claim that 99% of women who claim they were sexually assaulted are lying? Is your other claim that only 1% of sexual assault accusations end up in a felony conviction? What exactly is that based on?
 
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