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Marc Stein: Jazz-Warriors discuss pre-Lottery trade (Source says trade "likely")

Catchall said:
Odds are that next year's pick protection won't be a factor.
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With Bogut and Curry's health being the variables, I wouldn't say it's overwhelming odds, though, and the payoff could be huge, depending on how much they drop the protection. With the way things are headed now, considering changes in the new CBA, it's going to be extremely difficult to find opporunities at unprotected/lightly protected picks.

billyshelby said:
Personally, I'd give GS what they want for the next 2 drafts. I'd want a guaranteed 1st with no strings attached in year 3.
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I really hope this isn't what happens. A lot can happen in two years. I would feel ok gambling on a higher pick next year because of Bogut and Curry, but if it comes down to gambling on a pick two years from now, I'd rather just ride it out with our chances this year.
 
freakazoid said:
With Bogut and Curry's health being the variables, I wouldn't say it's overwhelming odds, though, and the payoff could be huge, depending on how much they drop the protection. With the way things are headed now, considering changes in the new CBA, it's going to be extremely difficult to find opporunities at unprotected/lightly protected picks.
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I'll assume Curry misses half of the season and Bogut misses the other half. That team still finishes in the 9 - 12 draft range, unless they tank again--something I don't think their fans could tolerate two years in a row. The fact that these high lotto picks are so valuable makes me want to hang up the phone on GSW and take our chances. We have nothing to lose, and Dorrell Wright or a #30 pick is not likely to push us upwards in the standings.

I'd give up a 28% chance at #8 if I knew that by making the trade, I'd get an asset that helps me secure the number 14 pick so I can take Miller, T. Jones or Lillard. That I'd do.
 
Catchall said:
I'll assume Curry misses half of the season and Bogut misses the other half. That team still finishes in the 9 - 12 draft range, unless they tank again--something I don't think their fans could tolerate two years in a row. The fact that these high lotto picks are so valuable makes me want to hang up the phone on GSW and take our chances. We have nothing to lose, and Dorrell Wright or a #30 pick is not likely to push us upwards in the standings.
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Wanna bet? Just look at their owner. That guy's as shady as they come.
 
If I were KOC, I'd be calling every team picking in the 10 - 14 range and asking them if there's something the Ws have that, combined with something we have, would secure their pick. Then I'd report back to the Ws and ask for that.

Maybe Al Jeffs + #30 gets us a late lotto pick.
 
Catchall said:
I'll assume Curry misses half of the season and Bogut misses the other half. That team still finishes in the 9 - 12 draft range, unless they tank again--something I don't think their fans could tolerate two years in a row. The fact that these high lotto picks are so valuable makes me want to hang up the phone on GSW and take our chances. We have nothing to lose, and Dorrell Wright or a #30 pick is not likely to push us upwards in the standings.

I'd give up a 28% chance at #8 if I knew that by making the trade, I'd get an asset that helps me secure the number 14 pick so I can take Miller, T. Jones or Lillard. That I'd do.
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They will definately tank again if they're not in the playoff picture, depending on the protection of the pick. They have no problem selling tickets, and therefore no reason not to protect their future interests.
 
Are they still happy with curry. Because a Bogut / Lee /Sullenger front court would be a good start for them. I say we move Raja and the pick for curry and a second rounder. Then we have ourselves a shooter.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
Are they still happy with curry. Because a Bogut / Lee /Sullenger front court would be a good start for them. I say we move Raja and the pick for curry and a second rounder. Then we have ourselves a shooter.
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That wears a suit to the games.
 
I think that he wouldn't get hurt here he wouldn't be the whole focus of the offense. So, he wouldn't get banged up as much. He could run point kind of like how Harris did sitting at the top of the key and hitting threes.
 
My guess:

3mil and drop from top 7 to top 3 protection next year and from top 6 to top 3 the following, and maybe unprotected the last year.
 
It is my guess that Mark Jackson is after Marshall. He wants this guy bad and doesn't want anything to stand in his way.

So IMO the Jazz should do nothing. Whatever they give up to ensure their pick is laughable compared with us getting the same player. Who is exactly what we need. If, in fact, they get leapfrogged and still want to trade then get to business. I believe it would take an awful lot to move Utah away from Marshall. Clearly the odds are against this occuring but from a negotiation standpoint you have to believe in that. You got their pick next year anyways and you know Mark Jackson isn't coaching anybody into 45 wins. If I'm KOC I play hardball.
 
Brown Notes said:
It is my guess that Mark Jackson is after Marshall. He wants this guy bad and doesn't want anything to stand in his way.

So IMO the Jazz should do nothing. Whatever they give up to ensure their pick is laughable compared with us getting the same player. Who is exactly what we need. If, in fact, they get leapfrogged and still want to trade then get to business. I believe it would take an awful lot to move Utah away from Marshall. Clearly the odds are against this occuring but from a negotiation standpoint you have to believe in that. You got their pick next year anyways and you know Mark Jackson isn't coaching anybody into 45 wins. If I'm KOC I play hardball.
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When they traded Monta this year, they went all in for Curry and they should. Curry is a hell of a point gaurd.
I think they're weak at the SF spot though, my money is they want Barnes/PJIII. With Barnes/PJIII, that is a scary team for their future if they're healthy.
Curry, Thompson, Barnes/PJIII, Lee, Bogut
 
Weezur said:
When they traded Monta this year, they went all in for Curry and they should. Curry is a hell of a point gaurd.
I think they're weak at the SF spot though, my money is they want Barnes/PJIII. With Barnes/PJIII, that is a scary team for their future if they're healthy.
Curry, Thompson, Barnes/PJIII, Lee, Bogut
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In my scenario Curry becomes a SG or becomes bait. Jackson wants a pass first PG to mold. Probably Curry is heading out IMO. Jackson will trade him for some stiff C.
 
U Gotta Love It Baby said:
Have GS drop the protection to top 3 or unprotected next year and I'm in.
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This. And quite frankly, I want it unprotected. Between that Knicks pick and this, it's a ****ing rollercoaster of emotions.

Give them back their 1st this year and we get their unprotected 1st next year and their #30 this year. If you're the Warriors, this doesn't seem so bad because you automatically get the pick this year in what is a deep draft. Yes, you automatically lose it next year but I bet they highly doubt they'll end up with a top 7 pick again since they assume a healthy Bogut, Curry and 1st rounder this year should net them five more wins, give or take.

#30, next year's unprotected 1st for us--they get the 1st this year no matter what
 
I'm late to the discussion on this one, but just want to add that it is encouraging that GS is asking and KOC is deciding. Always better to negotiate from the position of one with options. KOC just needs to make sure he doesn't try to milk too much from them lest, they walk away angry.
 
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