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PKM, do you have any inside info on what GS wants to give up in a deal for this years pick?
Really people. This has to end. Its embarassing how gullable you are.
PKM, do you have any inside info on what GS wants to give up in a deal for this years pick?
Really people. This has to end. Its embarassing how gullable you are.
Whatever happened to positive BluesRocker....the one who wants to give Ty and Big Al a chance?
Whatever happened to positive BluesRocker....the one who wants to give Ty and Big Al a chance?
This is Locke's idea, not mine: If they Jazz have the protections taken off for next year and *only* get cash, the cash can be used to buy any pick between 15-25 - which is better than the 30 or 35 that is being discussed...
Disagree, catchall. We see little chance at the pic, but great upside at the 30/35 .. not to mention next year's unprotected.
since when does anything KOC say to the press ever have any worth? Seriously the best thing about the guy is that the press never gets any indication of what he is thinking or going to do.I **** you not. That is exactly what KOC is thinking. I heard from his oen mouth that he doesnt want more youth and we are young enough.
He has no desire to draft in this lottery. He was going to trade the pick even if we got it.
I still want to give Ty a chance. Al, only for cheap off the bench.
Here is the best positive I can see in this.
Kevin gets really mad when a trade rumor leaks out, he then cancels the trade. This all because he takes great pride in in not letting rumors get out. So if the other team leaks it, then he pulls out.
So now that this trade will not go through because it was leaked. The Jazz will end up winning in the lottery and keep the pick. O Connor then ends up having to draft because he will not be able to pull off a trade out of the pick because he has a hard time trading. So we end up with another bad *** talent. This all against was KOC was trying to do.
I can be posotive about that, not Kevin.
Since KOC is always calling me up for advice, this is what I'll be telling him: All negotiations should have two compasses in mind: 1) Guaranteeing a 1st round pick (because presently we don't have that guarantee); 2) lowering restrictions on the pick.
Getting 3mil is foolish, even if it 'buys' a pick. Jazz can afford to invest 3mil of their own money on that pick if they're so inclined and keep the GS pick as is. The big debate is going to be the "sooner than later" conversation. Personally, I'd give GS what they want for the next 2 drafts. I'd want a guaranteed 1st with no strings attached in year 3. That's probably asking too much, but that's where I'd start.
I may have missed something, but I'm missing why that's too much to ask .. perhaps not even close to enough.
Well, I see the logic, but will agree to disagree, as I think it's weak. I think, at a bare minimum, '13 unprotected .. and I think even that is a tad thin for us.
Think leverage. GS's leverage is we don't have a guaranteed 1st. If they sucked bad enough for the next 2 years, we would get nothing under the present deal. That's a real risk. Our leverage is we can roll the dice on that. But we'd love not to have to.
There has to be give and take. I forget the original terms, but it's only 2 more years as a I recall. So I may be screwing this all up, but my guess is GS's 'guarantee' of a 1st would want to start after the original deal has elapsed. Thus, their angle is going to be: the deal stands, but we'll guarantee a 1st, and once the original deal is up, we want these restrictions on the 1st -- top 5, top 3, then unrestricted.
To me, that's pretty fair and I'd take it. But I'm sure KOC will push for Top 3, then unrestricted at the back end.[/,QUOTE]
I think I lean more towards billy on this one. I dont think we are going to be getting much back. Certainly not another first rounder.
Huh?
You would consider that fleecing them? I wouldnt even do that trade.