God Deniers
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I don't consider my belief in God to be arrogant at all.
It's just a belief, faith, a choice. It's all cool, either way you believe, I don't see either as absurd.
MVP
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You say life is an accident.
I say life ain't an accident.
I see life as evidence of God.
You see life as evidence of an accident.
We are both happy with our beliefs, and ain't going to change each other's minds so no need to try.
I like and respect you despite how wrong you are.
That's all cool but you still did not answer my questions. Do you believe god created heavens and earth first in the dark and then said "let there be light" and created light after that
? Do you believe he created women from Adam's rib? Was Adam white? if so how come we have black, brown and yellow people? Do you believe he created sea creatures and birds first and then land creatures? Seriously, tell me - you, educated person, in 21 century believe in these 2000 year old tales???
Yeah, in fairness, I completely lost track of this thread a long time ago.
MVP
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Why you keep reposting this nonsense like it means something? Book written by people in medieval ages when they had no clue that Earth is round and it orbits the Sun, etc, etc. Same like you would repost quotes from Iliad or Odyssey. Equal value. This is not even anecdotal evidence. It is in fact TALES and LEGENDS. All evidence we have and common sense points to god being creation of people's fear, darkness and lack of simple knowledge. There are numerous who want to believe it and feel good about it - as I said it is "opium for people". I am fine without it.
jimmy eat jazz
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You say life is an accident.
I say life ain't an accident.
I see life as evidence of God.
You see life as evidence of an accident.
We are both happy with our beliefs, and ain't going to change each other's minds so no need to try.
I like and respect you despite how wrong you are.
And that's a good place to end this discussion. Cheers.
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Do you know anything about it besides the cover?
Pretty much any atheist would acknowledge jesus said a lot of good things, as any religion does. Why wouldn't Jefferson?
I find it a great joke that all these states are using a God that the Supreme Court has explicitly stated is not, and can not be, the Christian God in their state mottos.
Every two-bit con artist leaves themselves an out, so the people who fall for their cons have an explanation for the people who don't fall for their cons. Why would Muhammed be any different?
Not an accident, a necessity. Chance and necessity, no accidents.
A lot of people want to judge prominent men of the past according to present day formulas. Most people don't really "believe" in God, as there are a variety of theories about what "God" might be. What little I've seen of Abe Lincoln says he was independently religious and had his own judgment and conscience, and that proved to be a huge disappointment to others men who sought to "manage" him.
Our founders were "elitists" of a sort who didn't see the need to let other elitists treat them with contempt. As a rule, they were home schooled, with the best available teachers money could buy. They learned the classical languages such as Greek and Latin, and read the literature of other civilizations in the languages of the people of those times. They had no state-mandated "professionally-recommended" indoctrination. They were knowledgeable about various state-sanctioned religions within the various colonies, but usually "stood above the fray" when people argued their merits. Some might not have believed, in the sense of feeling allegiance to, any of those contemporary churches, but that may not strictly translate into being opposed to religion in general. Some may have abstracted on purely logical grounds some construct of being against state-mandated religion, and may have even argued logically against them on terms we today might call deism or "atheism", but I can pretty well assure you that they would to a man find marxist rhetoric ignorant and distasteful and would have called that a "state religion of anti-Christian or anti-God doctrines". And they all were known to be praying men, nevertheless, when the British were hounding them from pillar to post.
So in my opinion, in broad terms, our "founders" were in large measure devout religious men of high intellect, and maybe not just some prattling cultists using theology as a means of manipulating the masses.
I think the proper appraisal of these men requires an understanding of the Enlightenment which was in vogue in their time, and which was the over-arching framework of their education.
Compared to the Enlightenment, today's progressives are totalitarian thugs rushing hither and yon to destroy the last vestiges of human liberty and human rights. Oh not that that's what progressives will admit to, but that's the net effect of absolute top-down management world-wide.
I left Christianity so I could become a true Christian.
Well, that settles it then, right? Famous people believe in God, so therefore, I must. Word.
The Black Swordsman
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Hmm about the Mein Kampf quote.
Hitler also says in Mein Kampf that you should not be afraid to lie to get what you want.
After Hitler died there was a book called Hitler's Table Talk which thoroughly analyzed Hitlers private conversations in which Martin Bormann himself said Hitler hated the Church, was lieing about his beliefs, and hated religion. Hitler's plans after winning world war 2 were to get rid of the Church. Since heaven does not exist in his view, it was best to try to create Heaven here on earth. His dream of a secular Utopia killed millions, along with other secular dreams of creating Utopia's such as people like Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao. The 20th century was the bloodiest century in Human existence. I have seen what atheism has brought us, a mountain of bodies, and an ocean of blood.
Hitler also says in Mein Kampf that you should not be afraid to lie to get what you want.
After Hitler died there was a book called Hitler's Table Talk which thoroughly analyzed Hitlers private conversations in which Martin Bormann himself said Hitler hated the Church, was lieing about his beliefs, and hated religion. Hitler's plans after winning world war 2 were to get rid of the Church. Since heaven does not exist in his view, it was best to try to create Heaven here on earth. His dream of a secular Utopia killed millions, along with other secular dreams of creating Utopia's such as people like Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao. The 20th century was the bloodiest century in Human existence. I have seen what atheism has brought us, a mountain of bodies, and an ocean of blood.
I wish more people could better understand this.
In a totalitarian dictatorship there is no room for any authority but the state. The actions of these totalitarian regimes and their rejection of "the church" is not because they are atheists but because they themselves must be the ultimate authority. In other news, totalitarian theocratic regimes work pretty much the same way, only the leader has a direct line to God which makes him the ultimate authority all the same, except in the case where God decides to step in...which has never happened.