PearlWatson
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Yes, it is. They are atheists who set themselves up as a God.
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Yes, it is. They are atheists who set themselves up as a God.
PearlWatson
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Get some comprehension skills. I don't care if you believe in God. You are just clueless about the meaning of the 1st amendment.
PearlWatson
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Jefferson states directly that he is a Christian so that supports "some people's" claim as far as Jefferson is concerned.
As for the claim that Jefferson is a Deist or an atheist and doesn't believe in the "Christian" God, this is a line from his syllabus that refutes those nonsense claims:
"He [Christ] corrected the Deism of the Jews, confirming them in their belief of one only God, and giving them juster notions of His attributes and government."
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One thing I've learned in dealing with people is. . . . that while I might think I know what I'm saying, almost everybody else is thinking something else.
So I am sometimes inclined to track the feedback and take it seriously. Pearl, you do sound something like I imagine my wife to sound when she feels it's simply insufferable to remain silent, and must tell me what she thinks. I figure it like this. Whatever she says, it means I'm an idiot who must be prevented from wreaking further havoc with the cosmos before it all just unravels and goes poof, and is gone.
Some of the guys in here have wives who aren't able to convey the message to a comprehending husbandly "brain", and for them it just sounds like you're trying to tell them what to think.
which is perhaps the most useless of human pastimes. . . . .
But I do enjoy your skillful retorts to other members of the clueless gender. It means, somewhere out there, perhaps near some distant faint galaxy, there is another husband like me, who probably is a philosopher of sorts, too.
PearlWatson
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I always enjoy your feedback, babe, especially these days where it is so rare.
I'll take your chastisements over other people's slop every time.
TheSilencer1313
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It seems you sort of have an infatuation with cons, and see everyone except for doctors and the science community to be cons as well.
Oh wait.... I'm the conspiracy theorist.
Wow. This is like my two year old daughter telling me that I'm clueless when it comes to playing basketball.
Where's your avatar, eh Slopper? Any douche with google can be a horses *** it seems. A little butt hurt that someone mentioned you're I.P. shows up in American Fort? Good hell, you're a tool. I truly hope someone reported you and you didn't just take it off on your own, but then again, I already know the answer to that -- you're too big of a prick to take it down on your own.
What is the state and the source of your personal education on the first amendment?
No one really knows what Jefferson's beliefs were. More than anything the guy seems to have liked to try different intellectual hats on at different times of his life, vacillating wildly. This applies to religion as well. In letters spanning a forty year period he self-describes as all kinds of things. In any event, all discussions of what Jefferson thinks about religion need to begin at what time period you're talking about. It is almost certain that his religious views both evolved over time and were highly eccentric to the point of defying easy classification. Cheerleading for him as a champion of one side or the other is, in all honesty, kind of a weird objective in any case.
The book you posted an image of is his re-writing of portions of the bible by literal cut-and-paste so as to exclude phenomena that he regarded as physically impossible nad make a consistent timeline. This largely meant the denial of all Christan miracles. It's not a particularly strong argument that he believes in any particular strain of christianity or even that he believes in the Bible as written. It might even be an academic exercise of distillation of principle.
Abe Lincoln's absolute stand to abolish slavery was the ticket that caused some New York financial interests to support him. Good historical scholarship has linked these financial "interests" to English influences. In fact, both the abolitionists in the north and secessionists in the south were heavily supported financially by these same folks. It was English Machiavellian intrigue, designed to break the United States apart. These important "backers" of Lincoln thought they could manage him when he was installed in office, and that it would all go smoothly to the break up of the United States.
Lincoln, however, proved himself to be an internally regulated man of personal convictions. He rebuffed those around him who would have encouraged him to just let the southern states go their own way. He really did want to abolish slavery, and he really believed we as a nation stood for something important in this world. Some believe it was his gracious peacemaking at the conclusion of the war, avoiding stupid acts of punishment against the southern confederates in favor of welcoming them back as real Americans, that cost him his life.
by the way, AP, your characterizations of Pearl are hateful and despicable, and I truly expect better of you.
Jefferson believed Jesus was an ordinary man, whose words and status were perveted by Paul. Does that make him a Christian in your eyes?
I don't recall anyone claiming Jefferson was an atheist. Why do you think the above statement is incompatible with Jefferson being a deist?
I primarily see cons regarding religions, alternative medicine, and Nigerian millionaires.
If PearlWatson wishes to assume the a specific persona, other people can not be faulted for treating her according to that persona.
MVP
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Nonsene. They had their idiotic/sick reasons which you can't blame only on being atheists - as they killed not only religious people but non religious as well - it was not war against religion but ideology. Tell me what reasons crusaders, conquistadors and other middle age "holly warriors" had? They were blessed and supported by church for bringing religion to pagan or unholy lands. Killed millions nonbelievers as well in the name of god. Numerous European pagan countries were converted to christianity because of the bloodshed - they did not want christianity at all - it was forced on them by sword. Same applies to all America, north and south.
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? It's certainly doesn't say much about Pearl's assertion that Lincoln is personally responsible for the deaths of all those lost as the result of the Civil War.
I'm not certain why you feel the need to be protective of PearlWatson. In any event, she routinely spews bile as bad or worse than saying someone has a room-temperature IQ. Besides the fact that truth is an absolute defense in AP's corner, it doesn't pass the smell test for you to shame AP in order to defend one of the most routinely toxic, abrasive, and confrontational personalities on the board. I truly expect better of you babe.
I'm well aware of the history of the incorporation doctrine and lack thereof in the pre-14th amendement legal era. Not certain why you believe that I'm not aware that they existed.
Trout is generally doing some kind of take-down in here, mostly either in good humor or for some reason or another, which he states. No profession of being about anything else. Good for getting some kind of balance, except in Pearl's case, where it's just sorta looking extreme.
You usually have some pretty solid material to back up what you say. Might be liberal/progressive or just contemporary fashion somehow, but rarely off the wall.
AP is definitely going to be pretty liberal, but the reason I think he should be above the fray with Pearl is because he is actually a student of religion, and presumably in an environment that is supposed to be pretty erudite about it, rather than doing retorts to put housewives in their place.
I don't view her as abrasive, but incisive in a way that could just be taken as challenge to reply with some respect. probably annoys the hell outta some who are pretty complacent about their ****. She has the guts to take the conservative, or god-believing case right back atcha when some pompous liberal thinks it's all just obvious how right they are.
and thanks for setting me straight about your good sense of history and ability to keep the facts on the table about the pre=14th amendment legal era.
You usually have some pretty solid material to back up what you say. Might be liberal/progressive or just contemporary fashion somehow, but rarely off the wall.
AP is definitely going to be pretty liberal, but the reason I think he should be above the fray with Pearl is because he is actually a student of religion, and presumably in an environment that is supposed to be pretty erudite about it, rather than doing retorts to put housewives in their place.
I don't view her as abrasive, but incisive in a way that could just be taken as challenge to reply with some respect. probably annoys the hell outta some who are pretty complacent about their ****. She has the guts to take the conservative, or god-believing case right back atcha when some pompous liberal thinks it's all just obvious how right they are.
and thanks for setting me straight about your good sense of history and ability to keep the facts on the table about the pre=14th amendment legal era.
PearlWatson
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I believe him when he states he is a Christian in a bible he took an incredible amount of time to create.