God Deniers

[PearlWatson]

It's certainly doesn't say much about Pearl's assertion that Lincoln is personally responsible for the deaths of all those lost as the result of the Civil War.

You are still clueless to the facetiousness behind my response to AP's out of the blue assertion that most agree that Lincoln "did a pretty passable job as commander-in-chief."

I'm not certain why you feel the need to be protective of PearlWatson. In any event, she routinely spews bile as bad or worse than saying someone has a room-temperature IQ.

Probably for the same reason you donated a hundred bucks to Snout's failed political campaign.
The bile comment is entertaining coming from you.

 

[Gameface]

Probably for the same reason you donated a hundred bucks to Snout's failed political campaign.
The bile comment is entertaining coming from you.

I donated money to Trout's campaign and I hosted a fund raiser for him at my house (Sorry, Dave. If you think Obama had a hard time explaining his relationship with Ayers...). I think he was the better candidate and a pretty great guy in general. Maybe you should come to poker and meet him if you're so bold.

 

[PearlWatson]

I donated money to Trout's campaign and I hosted a fund raiser for him at my house (Sorry, Dave. If you think Obama had a hard time explaining his relationship with Ayers...). I think he was the better candidate and a pretty great guy in general. Maybe you should come to poker and meet him if you're so bold.

Sorry, I don't care to meet the guy who wished me dead 12 ways from Sunday.

 

[Stoked]

I donated money to Trout's campaign and I hosted a fund raiser for him at my house (Sorry, Dave. If you think Obama had a hard time explaining his relationship with Ayers...). I think he was the better candidate and a pretty great guy in general. Maybe you should come to poker and meet him if you're so bold.

Wo wo wo...stop right there. We cannot have anything that might change our narrow views of the world. I mean why would I need to know anything about Trout to hate him?

 

[Harambe]

Anyone else find it disturbing that this guy seems to get great pleasure over mentioning 8 year old boners?

"Fear of the lord" doesn't mean you think He will **** you up if you mess with Him. There is no denying he can **** you up, though...just ask John Butler.

Hi! I'm ElRoach0. I don't post in General Discussion very often. While trying to avoid work, I came across this thread. I was reading the thread when I became Ill. At first it was just the chills, then headaches and fatigue kicked in. Slowly but surely I lost my appetite more and more. I went to the doctor, and that's when it happened. I was diagnosed with Retinal Blastoma.

I asked where it came from, and the doctor said that normally it's a naturally occurring phenomenon. However, sometimes it can be contracted from reading abhorrently ignorant posts. And that's when I realized...

 

[sirkickyass]

Trout is generally doing some kind of take-down in here, mostly either in good humor or for some reason or another, which he states. No profession of being about anything else. Good for getting some kind of balance, except in Pearl's case, where it's just sorta looking extreme.

Everyone who knows Dave will tell you he's just a big teddy bear. He'd probably tell you to sniff your own farts and then give you a high-five and help you mow your lawn in person. For some reason he believes that Pearl Watson is a previously banned member. The moderating staff has informed him that she's there's no evidence that's true several times. I suspect we're just not going to convince him at this point.

AP is definitely going to be pretty liberal, but the reason I think he should be above the fray with Pearl is because he is actually a student of religion, and presumably in an environment that is supposed to be pretty erudite about it, rather than doing retorts to put housewives in their place.

On the other hand, it's not exactly fair to just ask for AP to take unwarranted abuse. The guy is consistently one of the most compassionate posters on the board. That he lashed out, even in the most mild fashion, may perhaps be a clue that Pearl isn't just "incisively" saying things. Although your previous reply to Pearl that was laced with gender specific language and the "housewife" comment above is starting to make me think that your loyalty to her and apparent blindness to how confrontational she is, complete with Ann Coulter impersonations and Limbaugh epithets, is the byproduct of some kind of misplaced chivalry.

I don't view her as abrasive, but incisive in a way that could just be taken as challenge to reply with some respect.

I don't believe we're inhabiting the same universe. How does the first post of this thread comport with your worldview? Could you possibly deny that it is intended to negatively provoke?

I believe him when he states he is a Christian in a bible he took an incredible amount of time to create.

Two things here:

1) Isn't there kind of a de facto definitional problem with saying you're a particular religion when you disavow vast portions of the religion's major holy text? I mean, I can say I'm Catholic all I want but if I've never been confirmed, think the catechism is hokum, think the Pope is just some dude in a funny hat, and I refuse to take communion because it would violate my 5th grade pledge to D.A.R.E then at some point I'm kind of off in my own religious territory no matter what I say on a given day. Also isn't the cut and past version of the Bible to eliminate miracles practically the definition of deism?

2) So you believe that something he said on face in either 1804 or 1819 (dates are fuzzy) is true? I will agree that around that period of time Jefferson self-described as Christian even while denying major portions of the Bible. Do you not believe him when he said he was "Epicurean," "a sect unto myself," a "Materialist," and a "Unitarian?" If we take him at his word he was all over the map. I suspect the truth is that Jefferson, like many people, was subject to evolving views about religion over time.

You are still clueless to the facetiousness behind my response to AP's out of the blue assertion that most agree that Lincoln "did a pretty passable job as commander-in-chief."

I apologize for taking you on-face in an internet forum where you have said many, many ridiculous things in all seriousness. Of course, it couldn't possibly be a messaging problem as well as a reception problem. Nope. Never.

Probably for the same reason you donated a hundred bucks to Snout's failed political campaign.

Dave's a friend, and $100 was essentially invisible to me. I don't even agree with Dave's politics a fair percentage of the time but he deserved my support.

 

[Beantown]

So Trout lost?

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Nonsene. They had their idiotic/sick reasons which you can't blame only on being atheists - as they killed not only religious people but non religious as well - it was not war against religion but ideology. Tell me what reasons crusaders, conquistadors and other middle age "holly warriors" had? They were blessed and supported by church for bringing religion to pagan or unholy lands. Killed millions nonbelievers as well in the name of god. Numerous European pagan countries were converted to christianity because of the bloodshed - they did not want christianity at all - it was forced on them by sword. Same applies to all America, north and south.

Hmm so since atheists killed religious people and atheists, atheism isn't responsible for their crimes. I guess 9/11 isn't Islam's fault since Muslims were killed as well using your backwards logic.

You cannot blame religion on the deaths by the conquistadors who were influenced by greed. It was the catholic church who said that Indians were people too and humans are sacred so they stopped further expansion of the conquistadors. The first time in history a conquest was stopped for purely religious reasons btw. The Spanish inquisition killed 2000 people. 2000 people within 350 years. Thats about 5 guys a year. It is 2000 people too many but I am tired of atheists crying crocodile tears over the inquisition when Pol Pot killed 2 million people in 3 years. This wasn't centuries ago but in the 1970's.

Religion is scapegoated for many things. Israel-Palestine conflict, it is over land. India and pakistan? Over Kashmir. Northern Ireland and Ireland? Over who controls that country. Look at the facts and the figures and not only the perceptions.

 

[PearlWatson]

1) On the other hand, it's not exactly fair to just ask for AP to take unwarranted abuse. The guy is consistently one of the most compassionate posters on the board. That he lashed out, even in the most mild fashion, may perhaps be a clue that Pearl isn't just "incisively" saying things. Although your previous reply to Pearl that was laced with gender specific language and the "housewife" comment above is starting to make me think that your loyalty to her and apparent blindness to how confrontational she is, complete with Ann Coulter impersonations and Limbaugh epithets, is the byproduct of some kind of misplaced chivalry.

2) I apologize for taking you on-face in an internet forum where you have said many, many ridiculous things in all seriousness. Of course, it couldn't possibly be a messaging problem as well as a reception problem. Nope. Never.

3) Dave's a friend, and $100 was essentially invisible to me. I don't even agree with Dave's politics a fair percentage of the time but he deserved my support.

1) I don't see what "unwarranted abuse" AP took, but he's always appeared to be a delicate flower. I'm not surprised by his "you're stupid" response. That is always a liberal's first response the moment their beliefs are in any way questioned.
You are a stranger to chivalry, misplaced or otherwise.

2) I don't care how you took it or why, but you tend to take everything too seriously. I was amused at your windmill flailing, or I would have clued you in earlier.

3) Now maybe you'll understand babe's motivations.

 

[babe]

So, Kicky, I appreciate your detailed responses which do indeed give me pause for thought.

But I stand on my privilege to appreciate Pearl's contributions to lively debates in here as well. You might be right about the chivalry I imagine myself to be capable of, but let me explain why I like Pearl. First of all, she's cute. Well, that only lasted a few days in getting my positive attitude going, but that was enough. I suspected her for being my little sister-in-law, going incognito on the web. I tried every sort of prying and spying I could think of to check it out. I still couldn't be sure that's not who she is. My little sis-in-law has meanwhile moved on in her intellectual journey, and gotten a masters degree in social work, and seems to float pretty well with the liberal crowd in her profession. But she can still give me a serious challenge to my ideas.

Pearl and I have differing religious views, differing political views on many specifics, differing cultural comfort zones and ways of life. Sometimes she finds my comments interesting, and sometimes I find hers interesting. I don't mind "incisive" or even "abrasive' rhetoric, I grew up with it. I have tried to upgrade my game and do some better thinking, and along with it, more compassionate understanding of others' thinking. She has taken up my defense in many instances where I was feeling seriously worked over by some very very persistant ideologues or anti-Mormons of various kinds, even though she is not Mormon, and feels generally unappreciated by Mormons.

I also think Dave is a pretty decent person generally, and I have met him, and I don't feel any kind of serious problem about that. Pearl is keeping her identity fairly private, and trying to avoid anything that seems dangerous. She has her reasons, just like my wife does. I do know enough about her to understand the why. And I am OK with with that. I don't think we can solve the Trout/Pearl conflict by getting them together at a poker game or anywhere else, so we just have to accept it I suppose. Dave is probably more within reach of persuasion and might come around to accepting the situation peaceably.

FWIW, I spent some decades of my life in very liberal circles, knowing well enough how to discuss things with them and being in the flow of things. I just think we can do better by returning to some of the roots we as a country started out with. I find Pearl's wit/rhetoric/pugnacity antidotal to a lifetime of servile suffering at the hands of our overlords.

 

[MVP]

Hmm so since atheists killed religious people and atheists, atheism isn't responsible for their crimes. I guess 9/11 isn't Islam's fault since Muslims were killed as well using your backwards logic.
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lol, so Pol Pot killed because of religion only? Read more about it before blaming it on atheism only. And I never said Pol Pot or Hitler is not responsible for their crimes - but you ignoring their ideology and instead focusing on minor issue like atheism.
Ok, so conquistadors were greedy, and had nothing to do with bringing christianity to native lands, lol. By the way they violated at least 3 of the 10 commandments do you have problems with that? You completely ignored my point about christianity being forced on numerous european pagan countries by "holy wars" or crusades into muslim lands in 11-13 centuries.
How about these wonderful religious people like S.Hussein, M.Gaddafi, V.Chavez or A.Pinochet?

And here some numbers of people who died because of major religious wars.
List of major religious wars ( There were and still is numerous smaller samples ). Just look at Africa.

These figures of one million or more deaths include the deaths of civilians from diseases, famine, etc., as well as deaths of soldiers in battle and possible massacres and genocide.
Lowest estimate Highest estimate Event Location From To Religions involved Percentage of the world population[21]
3,000,000 11,500,000 Thirty Years' War Holy Roman Empire 1618 1648 Protestants and Catholics 0.5%–2.1%
2,000,000 4,000,000 French Wars of Religion France 1562 1598 Protestants and Catholics 0.4%–0.8%
1,000,000 2,000,000 Second Sudanese Civil War Sudan 1983 2005 Islam and Christian 0.02%
1,000,000 3,000,000 Crusades Holy Land, Europe 1095 1291 Islam and Christian 0.3%–2.3%
130,000 250,000 Lebanese Civil War Lebanon 1975 1990 Sunni, Shiite and Christian

 

[TroutBum]

Wow. This is like my two year old daughter telling me that I'm clueless when it comes to playing basketball.

Yeah, we all know how you're a basketball star and constitutional scholar all rolled into one.

Aside from my amazing Triple Double last year in ward ball, everyone here knows that I don't know jack squat about basketball or how to play it. On top of that, I promise you that I will never be mistaken for a constitutional scholar, nor have I ever claimed to be one. You missed the irony and subtle burn, but then again, look at who I'm dealing with.

Probably for the same reason you donated a hundred bucks to Snout's failed political campaign.

I wonder how you define "failed political campaign". As far as I can tell, I caused a hell of a lot of noise in my district and in the city as a whole. I was lucky enough to be put on some committees that actually get **** done. Did I lose the election? Ya, I did. To be honest, we all knew I would, but what you can't take away from me is the fact that 40% of my district thought that I was better than the eight year incumbent. You also can't take away the fact that because of the election and my subsequent appointments on certain committees that my voice is still being heard, and that the elected officials are forced to listen. Man, I wish I could fail this hard more often.

I donated money to Trout's campaign and I hosted a fund raiser for him at my house.

Ya, ya, bull crap. You donated because you're a good friend, and that's what friends do.

Maybe you should come to poker and meet him if you're so bold.

Right. Just in case this happens, I planted some monkey seeds in my butt hole. I can only hope they mature.

Sorry, I don't care to meet the guy who wished me dead 12 ways from Sunday.

If we're being accurate, it was closer to 47. Don't you worry though, I haven't given up hope yet.

Wo wo wo...stop right there. We cannot have anything that might change our narrow views of the world. I mean why would I need to know anything about Trout to hate him?

All you need to know is that I am right, 100% of the time.

Everyone who knows Dave will tell you he's just a big teddy bear.

As in, I'm the top of the food chain, I fish like it's my job, I can tear you to shreds with my bare hands, and I sleep a lot.

He'd probably tell you to sniff your own farts and then give you a high-five and help you mow your lawn in person.

This is amazingly accurate, although I wouldn't help you mow your lawn -- I'd simply just do it for you. I can't freaking stand how people mow their lawns: no trimming, no edging, non-symmetrical lines, and they mulch. Not to mention that nobody ever bothers to sweep or blow the clippings off the sidewalks, which ensures they end up on my front porch at the first hint of a breeze.

For some reason he believes that Pearl Watson is a previously banned member.

"Some reason", huh? It's all good. This place just wouldn't be the same without Slopper. At the very worst, at least we can understand this particular incarnation.

Dave's a friend, and $100 was essentially invisible to me. I don't even agree with Dave's politics a fair percentage of the time but he deserved my support.

This. As stated before, this is what friends do. Perhaps you should try not being yourself, Slopper, and maybe you too could get a few. Doubtful, I know, but hell, even Craig1221 had his supporters.

I also think Dave is a pretty decent person generally, and I have met him, and I don't feel any kind of serious problem about that. Pearl is keeping her identity fairly private, and trying to avoid anything that seems dangerous. She has her reasons, just like my wife does. I do know enough about her to understand the why. And I am OK with with that. I don't think we can solve the Trout/Pearl conflict by getting them together at a poker game or anywhere else, so we just have to accept it I suppose. Dave is probably more within reach of persuasion and might come around to accepting the situation peaceably.

Slopper doesn't have the stones, plain and simple. Again, I'd rather it stay that way anyhow. The chances are probably good that at the end of the night, we'd be fast friends -- and just like the Utes, I find a weird and very unhealthy joy in hating him with every ounce of my being. It's like rooting against Kobe -- it just feels right.

 

[One Brow]

I guess 9/11 isn't Islam's fault since Muslims were killed as well using your backwards logic.

9/11 is not the fault of some general notion "Islam", it was the fault of fanatics who believed stupid things.

Religions (or the lack of religion) don't do things. Fanatics do things.

 

[Stoked]

9/11 is not the fault of some general notion "Islam", it was the fault of fanatics who believed stupid things.

Religions (or the lack of religion) don't do things. Fanatics do things.

Damn right!

 

[One Brow]

Sorry, I'm not going to die because you hope for it, pray for it in your temple, or try to use your priestly powers to carry it out.

Are you some sort of God-denier?

 

[babe]

Are you some sort of God-denier?

she's saying Trout's Mormonism is useless.

There will be more and more breakouts from the intellectual guidance/mass propaganda campaigns of the mainstream, whether government or LDS, the more jackasses try to ride those trends to glory.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

lol, so Pol Pot killed because of religion only? Read more about it before blaming it on atheism only. And I never said Pol Pot or Hitler is not responsible for their crimes - but you ignoring their ideology and instead focusing on minor issue like atheism.
Ok, so conquistadors were greedy, and had nothing to do with bringing christianity to native lands, lol. By the way they violated at least 3 of the 10 commandments do you have problems with that? You completely ignored my point about christianity being forced on numerous european pagan countries by "holy wars" or crusades into muslim lands in 11-13 centuries.
How about these wonderful religious people like S.Hussein, M.Gaddafi, V.Chavez or A.Pinochet?

And here some numbers of people who died because of major religious wars.
List of major religious wars ( There were and still is numerous smaller samples ). Just look at Africa.

These figures of one million or more deaths include the deaths of civilians from diseases, famine, etc., as well as deaths of soldiers in battle and possible massacres and genocide.
Lowest estimate Highest estimate Event Location From To Religions involved Percentage of the world population[21]
3,000,000 11,500,000 Thirty Years' War Holy Roman Empire 1618 1648 Protestants and Catholics 0.5%–2.1%
2,000,000 4,000,000 French Wars of Religion France 1562 1598 Protestants and Catholics 0.4%–0.8%
1,000,000 2,000,000 Second Sudanese Civil War Sudan 1983 2005 Islam and Christian 0.02%
1,000,000 3,000,000 Crusades Holy Land, Europe 1095 1291 Islam and Christian 0.3%–2.3%
130,000 250,000 Lebanese Civil War Lebanon 1975 1990 Sunni, Shiite and Christian

First of all the most bloody war you mentioned was the Thirty Years war. It would have been a religious war if it divided neatly between protestants and catholics, however catholic france sided with the protestants....

Also notice how all the things you posted were 100's of years ago. The 20th century was the bloodiest century in history, Mao alone killed more then all the deaths you listed at 65 million.

However if one brow posted that it isn't religion necessarily to blame for Osama and atheism for Mao but rather fanaticism then I agree and will move on.

 

[Stoked]

^^ Proof that God exists. Only a Supreme Being with a ****ed up sense of humor would be able to create someone as fundementally jacked as TBS.

 

[MVP]

Also notice how all the things you posted were 100's of years ago.

Did you miss Sudan and Lebanese civil wars?

 

[TroutBum]

The same way everyone does, but I guess you can have a participation award.

A valiant effort, sort of. The election wasn't the Sugar Bowl, so your picture doesn't quite work. Again, good effort though.

I'm fine with you hating me for whatever delusional reasons you want, and have no desire to change it. I don't have the skills to change it anyway, cause I ain't a jackass whisperer.

Flagged for personal attack.