GVC
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That's more than a slight oversimplification.
Why not just let Israel go for it and put an end to the nonsense?
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GVC
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That seems to just be a continuation of an escalation of violence beginning on the 8th, although, yes, the assassination of the head of Hamas' military wing did take things to another level.
Yeah, of course, any argument against Israel is anti-Semitic.
Ironic when the GOP whines that the Dems play the race and feminist card all the time.
jazzyapma
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Let me tell you a story:
Once there was a great empire and many slaves were obedient to the king. Then a man organized the slaves and left the kingdom with them, claim a land to their own, found a couple of cities. Another great empire came by force and conquered their land. They were homeless again, scattered around the world in the process. They learned that the economy is everything, so they sticked to the trade. They grew economically and became a force which cannot be conquered: pot of gold. Many diffrent people conquered their land and lived, they only had an idea when they would "buy" their land again. So when they think the time is right, they directed the biggest empires which became victorious from a world war, with their financial power to conquer their land for them. Many of the people come to their forefather's land, and since then, they are trying to kick out the people who live there for centuries after they left.
Once there was a great empire and many slaves were obedient to the king. Then a man organized the slaves and left the kingdom with them, claim a land to their own, found a couple of cities. Another great empire came by force and conquered their land. They were homeless again, scattered around the world in the process. They learned that the economy is everything, so they sticked to the trade. They grew economically and became a force which cannot be conquered: pot of gold. Many diffrent people conquered their land and lived, they only had an idea when they would "buy" their land again. So when they think the time is right, they directed the biggest empires which became victorious from a world war, with their financial power to conquer their land for them. Many of the people come to their forefather's land, and since then, they are trying to kick out the people who live there for centuries after they left.
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Gameface, you need to read your history. The Palestinians have more right to be there than the Israelis. After the Holocaust, the Zionists, those Jews who had been calling for a return to what was then called Palestine, got international support to organize a Jewish state as a result of the universally felt guilt for the Holocaust. In the process, they forcibly removed the Palestinians, the people who had been living there for centuries, and put them in concentration camps. The Palestinians have every moral right to continue to fight the Jews. But of course the U.S. and England which have been swayed by Jewish interests don't recognize them. One of the many reasons there is an Arab Jihad now.
addictionary
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and in this photo gallery, they show an israeli murdered by hamas militia by the cause of the suspicion that he was an israeli spy. that is the hamas side of being inhuman and sadistic. war is war. once the fire is lit, ****heads like these appear and do inhuman things
https://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=62817&rid=2&p=1.
https://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=62817&rid=2&p=1.
So basically you are saying it was their land, they were forcibly removed and are now returning home to find someone living in their house?
You say that as if having a peaceful regime will keep them from being ****ed. I have seen no indication this is true. Israel is dominated by its religious radicals right now, and they want nothing less that the entires West Bank as Isreali land.
I don't the Palestinians are innocent little victimized kittens. They're also not irrational morons (at least, not more so than humans generally). Nor are the Israelis the victims.
Are farms good use? Since when does a libertarian suddenly worry about how their neighbor uses their land?
There is no such thing as a permanently oppressed people that do not engage in rebellions. If Hamas crys uncle today, another organization will replace them in 10 years.
Do you really blame them for taking that stance? Every time the Arabs control it they use it as a launching pad for violence. Israel squashed the violence and moved in to secure it. 40 years later is a long time for them to be living there and just uproot thousands of families in a full pull out. Palestine & Jordan are responsible for losing it in the first place, and aren't willing to negotiate on new boundaries (an understandable stance not wanting highly fragmented borders). Nor are they willing to recognize a Jewish state.
I guess I don't get Palestine's angle at all. They have a chance for a UN recognized nation and peace but choose to continuous fighting instead.
I'm not big on blame. Howqever, I will say that your reasons are rationalizations. The primary reasons for wanting that land is a sense of entitlement with a religious source.
Do you acknowledge Israel has helped create, and its policies continue to exacerbate, the conflict?
jazzyapma
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Pretty much. But after 2 millenia, do they have the right to claim the land for themselves? That's the debate.
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jazzyapma
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My bad.
Yes but not anymore than Hamas. I reject the popular trend of supporting Hamas and denouncing Israel. If I had to choose what wagon to hitch my horse to it would be Israel without a doubt.
Well if you agree with the premise that it is their house...