Why not just let Israel go for it and put an end to the nonsense?

[Stoked]

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html

Cease fire reached. Good but it won't last.

Nice to see the two sides still trash talking though.

 

[franklin]

It is not that clean. Both are very much guilty and they simply do not seem to care. To much blood has been spilt over to many generations, on both sides, for them to care about anything other than demonizing and killing the other.

Would you please stop saying this without including what exactly Israel has done to deserve your condemnation?

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction and Israel has created Hamas with their actions over the years. There was a chance for the peace with the Palestine Liberation Organization (El-Fetih) and Yaser Arafat which is more rational and open to dialogue than Hamas but they didn't go for it cause a possible peace would restrict their political desires. That's not what they want.

Arafat was offered the West Bank, Gaza, and most of Jerusalem. He refused and Palestinian suicide bombings continued. There is going to be less and less land for a Palestinian state the longer they hold out and rain terror into Israel.

 

[Stoked]

Would you please stop saying this without including what exactly Israel has done to deserve your condemnation?

Arafat was offered the West Bank, Gaza, and most of Jerusalem. He refused and Palestinian suicide bombings continued. There is going to be less and less land for a Palestinian state the longer they hold out and rain terror into Israel.

Your attempts of laying it all at the feet of Palestine deserve no more consideration than the posts that lay it all at the feet of Israel. None of them are innocent in this war. If you refuse to see that then so be it.

 

[franklin]

If this is the level you have to stoop to, I wish you an expedient and horribly painful death. Seriously, go **** yourself.

My apologies. That didn't come out anywhere near as intended (as a mockery of the board lately with a little of your "are you dense" flair). I was interrupted mid-thought by fighting kids and posted in haste.

Solutions are nice and neat. There is no solution. All we can do is direct and reduce the conflict. However, that won't happen if we are kidding ourselves about its source.l

Chasing our tails around in circles isn't helping either.

 

[franklin]

Your attempts of laying it all at the feet of Palestine deserve no more consideration than the posts that lay it all at the feet of Israel. None of them are innocent in this war. If you refuse to see that then so be it.

Speaking in generalities and playing the neutral card doesn't support or prove your point no matter how many times you claim as much. If you refuse to see that then so be it.

 

[Stoked]

Speaking in generalities and playing the neutral card doesn't support or prove your point no matter how many times you claim as much. If you refuse to see that then so be it.

Well played sir lol.

They are overly heavy handed in alot of the things they do.

Spare me the reasons why. At this point all it does is spiral back and forth forever. I'd side with Israel over Palestine but I am not fooled into thinking that Israel is full of angels either.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

 

[margodydek]

I agree with the OP. Let's call it: "Operation Fast Track to the Millenium"

 

[addictionary]

Honest question.

Do you see a path to peace between Israel and Palestine?

I do not. My post you quoted was just a logical path based on that assumption.

It is a horrible, terrible, inhumane conculsion but it is the only one I see that will finally resolve this war. it goes against human decency but it is the only way that it would ever end.

So those are our options. Continue to watch them murder each other without end or to allow them to end it.

Edit: I'd love to see true peace between the two. They both deserve their seat at the table so to speak. The fact that they themselves will not allow it is truly tragic.

these lands and this struggle has faced even crusades that are massively worse in terms of hatred than what we have on our hands today. muslim societies need more education and connection with the world to overcome their hatred. less kids that are fooled by religious leaders or commanders who are supposed to preach their words or his excellency Mohammed's words or Qur'an itself. Jews need to be taught to overcome their ethnocentrism and overexaggeratedselfprotectiveness to overcome their hatred. and many other more options. we cannot waste people's lives to the interests whom we are ruled by and ignorant dogs who spit their words and deeds. human life is above everything. and every impossibility. neither of us can singlehandedly do it but giving up on believing it is the worst thing we could do to ourselves. we are one. and we will be one again someday.

 

[Stoked]

these lands and this struggle has faced even crusades that are massively worse in terms of hatred than what we have on our hands today. muslim societies need more education and connection with the world to overcome their hatred. less kids that are fooled by religious leaders or commanders who are supposed to preach their words or his excellency Mohammed's words or Qur'an itself. Jews need to be taught to overcome their ethnocentrism and overexaggeratedselfprotectiveness to overcome their hatred. and many other more options. we cannot waste people's lives to the interests whom we are ruled by and ignorant dogs who spit their words and deeds. human life is above everything. and every impossibility. neither of us can singlehandedly do it but giving up on believing it is the worst thing we could do to ourselves. we are one. and we will be one again someday.

That sounds good I just do not ever see it happeneing unfortunately.

 

[HeavenHarris]

do you guys think there is more racialism in the united states against the people of israel or the people of palestine?
do you think this level or ratio of racialism is different from a world-wide perspective? how so?

discuss.

 

[addictionary]

very good. sleep on your ear.

 

[Stoked]

very good. sleep on your ear.

what?

 

[Nate505]

From my perspective it seems to be that people (generally speaking) have placed all the blame at the feet of one side or the other.

It is not that clean. Both are very much guilty and they simply do not seem to care. To much blood has been spilt over to many generations, on both sides, for them to care about anything other than demonizing and killing the other.

Spot on. Like you when it comes to picking a horse between Israel and Hamas I would choose the former. Hamas are a bunch of psychopaths and I detest fundamentalist Islam as much or more than pretty much any fundamentalist sect of any religion. When it comes to Israel vs. Palestine (or Palestinians in general) then it's damn near a coin flip. I hate both of them. Well hate is a strong word, but I'm sick of both of them.

 

[Gameface]

do you guys think there is more racialism in the united states against the people of israel or the people of palestine?
do you think this level or ratio of racialism is different from a world-wide perspective? how so?

discuss.

Israel is our only true ally in the region. Period. The End. /thread

 

[babe]

How can you be ignorant like this when your CIA triggers all this to start in the first place? It was the USA who founded Israel. Either you would f*** off the other nation's borders or you should "care".

The Balfour Declaration setting aside a part of palestine for a Jewish homeland was nothing to do with the US.

The commie political wing of Israel, doubting Britain's "straightforward manner in international politics", wanted an insurance policy, and successfully lobbied for a secret alliance with Russia, the terms of which involved a pledge by Israel to play America for the fool it is. . . . never to settle peacefully with the Arab/palestinian neighbors and always to milk the USA for support guaranteed by fervent American religious sentiments, to enable the commies to always paint America as the bad guys to the other Mideast political elements. . . .

It's a no win for America, but Israel would survive without us. The Russians would step in and see to that. The Muslim Brotherhood are the direct successors of Adolf Hitler's Nazi network in the mideast during WWII, and are blood brothers to the Bush Dynasty/Rockefeller interests. American "secret services" are working hard on starting WWIII, and with the request from Turkey for a no-fly zone over Syria, along with missiles, are intent on taking out Russia's Syrian Naval Base.

The best thing we can do is start that chant: "Hell NO!!!! We won't Go!!!!, and just drop out of this war. And cut off Western funding and support for militant phony "Muslims" who live like dissipate Western college brats, feeding on pork and beer. While providing the explosives and firepower to ideological dupes.

 

[HeavenHarris]

Israel is our only true ally in the region. Period. The End. /thread

i see your location listed as "West Jordan."
So by "our" do you mean the USA or Jordan?

 

[franklin]

The Balfour Declaration setting aside a part of palestine for a Jewish homeland was nothing to do with the US.

The commie political wing of Israel, doubting Britain's "straightforward manner in international politics", wanted an insurance policy, and successfully lobbied for a secret alliance with Russia, the terms of which involved a pledge by Israel to play America for the fool it is. . . . never to settle peacefully with the Arab/palestinian neighbors and always to milk the USA for support guaranteed by fervent American religious sentiments, to enable the commies to always paint America as the bad guys to the other Mideast political elements. . . .

It's a no win for America, but Israel would survive without us. The Russians would step in and see to that. The Muslim Brotherhood are the direct successors of Adolf Hitler's Nazi network in the mideast during WWII, and are blood brothers to the Bush Dynasty/Rockefeller interests. American "secret services" are working hard on starting WWIII, and with the request from Turkey for a no-fly zone over Syria, along with missiles, are intent on taking out Russia's Syrian Naval Base.

The best thing we can do is start that chant: "Hell NO!!!! We won't Go!!!!, and just drop out of this war. And cut off Western funding and support for militant phony "Muslims" who live like dissipate Western college brats, feeding on pork and beer. While providing the explosives and firepower to ideological dupes.

You always bring good stuff to make us question everything. Isn't the Russian pact you talk about pretty well known (even if forgotten)?

 

[DutchJazzer]

Gameface, you need to read your history. The Palestinians have more right to be there than the Israelis.

ooh really

 

[DutchJazzer]

i can tell you are a terroist.
a picture does not prove ****.
posting pics like hamas.
pics of things that did not happen recently