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Why not just let Israel go for it and put an end to the nonsense?

One Brow said:
Howqever, I will say that your reasons are rationalizations. The primary reasons for wanting that land is a sense of entitlement with a religious source.
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& they've stated a willingness to give it up contingent on border changes accounting for new demographics and security concerns. Again, Palestinian attacks are the reason they took it over and now occupy it. Palestine deserved to lose the land they were initially given & now have an opportunity to gain some of it back by agreeing to peace.

One Brow said:
Do you acknowledge Israel has helped create, and its policies continue to exacerbate, the conflict?
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Isn't that what politics almost always does?
 
franklin said:
& they've stated a willingness to give it up contingent on border changes accounting for new demographics and security concerns.
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You're conflating the Israeli publoic at large with the politically powerful group that are its religious conservatives.
 
jazzyapma said:
Let me tell you a story:

Once there was a great empire and many slaves were obedient to the king. Then a man organized the slaves and left the kingdom with them, claim a land to their own, found a couple of cities. Another great empire came by force and conquered their land. They were homeless again, scattered around the world in the process. They learned that the economy is everything, so they sticked to the trade. They grew economically and became a force which cannot be conquered: pot of gold. Many diffrent people conquered their land and lived, they only had an idea when they would "buy" their land again. So when they think the time is right, they directed the biggest empires which became victorious from a world war, with their financial power to conquer their land for them. Many of the people come to their forefather's land, and since then, they are trying to kick out the people who live there for centuries after they left.
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everybody loves money. joo s just need to shoot it in the vein.
 
One Brow said:
Solutions are nice and neat. There is no solution. All we can do is direct and reduce the conflict. However, that won't happen if we are kidding ourselves about its source.l
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From my perspective it seems to be that people (generally speaking) have placed all the blame at the feet of one side or the other.

It is not that clean. Both are very much guilty and they simply do not seem to care. To much blood has been spilt over to many generations, on both sides, for them to care about anything other than demonizing and killing the other.
 
Stoked said:
From my perspective it seems to be that people (generally speaking) have placed all the blame at the feet of one side or the other.

It is not that clean. Both are very much guilty and they simply do not seem to care. To much blood has been spilt over to many generations, on both sides, for them to care about anything other than demonizing and killing the other.
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Agreed.
 
One Brow said:
Agreed.
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It may be inhumane but I say let them have it out and then cangratulate the winner. Niether will be willing to leave, neither will tolerate the other and they will never cooperate. Having it out is all that is left.

Let them have it out. There is no other solution. Just more killing and posturing.
 
Stoked said:
It may be inhumane but I say let them have it out and then cangratulate the winner. Niether will be willing to leave, neither will tolerate the other and they will never cooperate. Having it out is all that is left.

Let them have it out. There is no other solution. Just more killing and posturing.
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are you ****ing insane?!? I'm glad that u do not have authority over this kinda thing or things would go extreme massacre. how can u let your ethics and common sense and your great empathy that I have seen only in you in this forum dumped so easily?
 
addictionary said:
are you ****ing insane?!? I'm glad that u do not have authority over this kinda thing or things would go extreme massacre. how can u let your ethics and common sense and your great empathy that I have seen only in you in this forum dumped so easily?
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Honest question.

Do you see a path to peace between Israel and Palestine?

I do not. My post you quoted was just a logical path based on that assumption.

It is a horrible, terrible, inhumane conculsion but it is the only one I see that will finally resolve this war. it goes against human decency but it is the only way that it would ever end.

So those are our options. Continue to watch them murder each other without end or to allow them to end it.

Edit: I'd love to see true peace between the two. They both deserve their seat at the table so to speak. The fact that they themselves will not allow it is truly tragic.
 
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Stoked said:
It may be inhumane but I say let them have it out and then cangratulate the winner. Niether will be willing to leave, neither will tolerate the other and they will never cooperate. Having it out is all that is left.

Let them have it out. There is no other solution. Just more killing and posturing.
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Gaza is a open-air jail with the blockade that Israel has been implement for many years so they may start with the removing the blockade (also status of Palestinian refugees, seperation walls etc). I mean it's hard to find people who cherish the hope for peace in that kind of environment, so its not a surprise why they picked Hamas as their legitimate leader and Hamas is the perfect legitimate reason for Israel to commit its crimes cause a peace won't serve the purpose of Israel. If there is a side who made the peace a remote chance, its Israel with their politically and morally unacceptable actions.
 
CitizenofCapua said:
Gaza is a open-air jail with the blockade that Israel has been implement for many years so they may start with the removing the blockade (also status of Palestinian refugees, seperation walls etc). I mean it's hard to find people who cherish the hope for peace in that kind of environment, so its not a surprise why they picked Hamas as their legitimate leader and Hamas is the perfect legitimate reason for Israel to commit its crimes and a peace won't serve the purpose of Israel. If there is a side who made the peace a remote chance, its Israel with their politically and morally unacceptable actions.
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Israel has its fair share of blame no doubt but let's not pull the wool over our eyes. Any country on earth would go after a country launching rockets at it.

Hamas bears an equal share of the blame as Israel. Hamas is dedicated to the eradication of Israel. Not the removal of Israel or peacful coexistance. They want Israel destroyed completely.
 
Stoked said:
Hamas bears an equal share of the blame as Israel. Hamas is dedicated to the eradication of Israel. Not the removal of Israel or peacful coexistance. They want Israel destroyed completely.
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Every action has an equal and opposite reaction and Israel has created Hamas with their actions over the years. There was a chance for the peace with the Palestine Liberation Organization (El-Fetih) and Yaser Arafat which is more rational and open to dialogue than Hamas but they didn't go for it cause a possible peace would restrict their political desires. That's not what they want.
 
CitizenofCapua said:
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction and Israel has created Hamas with their actions over the years. There was a chance for the peace with the Palestine Liberation Organization (El-Fetih) and Yaser Arafat which is more rational and open to dialogue than Hamas but they didn't go for it cause a possible peace would restrict their political desires. That's not what they want.
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So back to laying it all on Israel. Good to know.
 
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