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Houston in talks with Kyrylo Fesenko.

Sirkickyass said:
Sure. There were also more than a few Jazz fans that thought Koufos had value. Two years ago Greene was among the very worst at his postion. Last season he was merely significantly below average. I notice that you don't dispute that virtually every GM in the league would have done the deal.

As to Casspi, he turned into a pretty good late first-rounder. But the reality is that from the perspective of the Rockets they were trading a late first-rounder, not Omri Casspi. Its hard to kill them for trading a pick that turned into a steal down the road. It's not like they traded a lottery position.

The point is this: Morey is a good GM and he generally doesn't screw up. The stuff being mentioned is picking nits. If he's interested in Fes that's only a positive indicator.
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While I provided a bit of dissenting information, I definitely agree with that assessment. I'm actually being redundant.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Sure. There were also more than a few Jazz fans that thought Koufos had value. Two years ago Greene was among the very worst at his postion. Last season he was merely significantly below average. I notice that you don't dispute that virtually every GM in the league would have done the deal.

As to Casspi, he turned into a pretty good late first-rounder. But the reality is that from the perspective of the Rockets they were trading a late first-rounder, not Omri Casspi. Its hard to kill them for trading a pick that turned into a steal down the road. It's not like they traded a lottery position.

The point is this: Morey is a good GM and he generally doesn't screw up. The stuff being mentioned is picking nits. If he's interested in Fes that's only a positive indicator.
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I would be surprised if there weren't at least a handful of GMs who wouldn't have made that trade for Ron Artest.

With that said, it was a good trade for Houston AND a good trade for Sacramento (since they had no intention of keeping Artest).
 
I know the anticipation is dramatically building on JazzFanz as Fes only has about a week to decide. Will he or wont he? Stayed tuned as The Fes Turns.
 
Last day to sign

October 1st is the last day he has to sign. Until then any and all possibilities will be explored unless the Jazz come off their minimum 1-year qualifying. There is no reason to do otherwise.
 
go4jazz said:
Archie, Archie, Archie. Continually baiting me is funny at best, kind of sad and pathetic at worst.
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I know, right? I'm sad, pathetic, and most importantly, I'm totally awesome.

Anyways, who are you? Do you work for the Jazz? Do you think you can get me a job in concessions? Will my online posting style prohibit me from ever having a job with the Jazz?

Thanks,


Archie Baiter.
 
go4jazz said:
October 1st is the last day he has to sign. Until then any and all possibilities will be explored unless the Jazz come off their minimum 1-year qualifying. There is no reason to do otherwise.
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Hmmm. I dont know maybe if he signs now he could start to "practice" with the other guys for instance. Apparently Elson has already done so. I am a proponent of Fes. I would prefer them to sign him to at least a couple of years. At the "true" center position we are pretty bare. We have a 34yr old who was never to great and a 30+ player who has a major injury.
 
InGameStrategy said:
If true, it's only adding to the theory that Sloan doesn't develop players well.

At times, especially against some matchups, Fesenko was more effective than Okur. Fes helped to mask Boozer's deficiency better than Matador Memo did. Fes was rarely used down the stretch because Sloan evidently liked Okur's 3-point shooting (which didn't always compensate for his defense). But the outside shot is more replaceable than inside D.

Barring someone who might end up with a prison sentence or who really messes up chemistry in the locker room or practice, the #1 criterion for evaluating a player should be what they do on the court. Fes doesn't pay a lot of attention in the huddle, but he is possibly the best matchup against the Twin Towers of Tinseltown that Utah has (depending on how Jefferson pans out defensively; AJ would likely take the other one anyway). I'm not convinced that Francisco Dutchman will be able to do the same.
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Sloan does not develop players well at all. That is the biggest fallacy. Just because a player is young and he succeeds in our system doesn't mean Sloan developed him.
Sloan can put NBA ready players into his system and make them better.

But he does not develop raw players. I've never seen a raw player become better in the Jazz system. They need to be ready like Deron, Matthews & Millsap.

I fully agree that Fesenko was better than Okur for us too at some points. The outside shot is overrated. I am glad Okur got hurt to be honest. Sounds horrible but it will be a blessing in disguise for us. I do like Okur off the bench though for 20-25 minutes.
 
I think Sloan develops players who are aleady motivated very well. He's not into all the little psychology games a lot of coaches use to "reach" players to get them to do things they aren't used to doing. ALA the Zen-master, and others... Jerry's just plain down to earth; if you're ready to work and want to learn to play in a team concept, he da man!
It would not surprise me if Fes could get a better deal back in Ukraine if he wanted to just take the $$$ and run... Not sure that is even legal though, as he's a RFA...
 
NotDeadYet said:
It would not surprise me if Fes could get a better deal back in Ukraine if he wanted to just take the $$$ and run... Not sure that is even legal though, as he's a RFA...
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If Fes wanted to play overseas he could accept a foreign offer. The Jazz, however, would retain his RFA rights in the NBA so that if he tried to come back to the US in subsequent seasons he would have to go through the same process he's dealing with now.

See: Josh Childress
 
Yep; didn't know if Josh was still under an NBA contract when he split.
Guess all David Stern can do about it is wave his finger at them for taking away his players. But, for them to leave and come to the NBA, they need a little grease on their wheel to get their blessing...
 
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