Racism and privilege

[Stoked]

Still waiting to hear all those non-hurtful things you'd like to say, but that the "politically correct" people aren't letting you say.

Here is a list of terms that have been attacked.

Pet Owner
Peanut Butter Sandwich
Columbus Day
Prayer
Holding Down the Fort
Terrorist
Christmas

Those are just the ones here in the U.S.. I didn't mention the ones being hit in other countries like "his" and "hers" in Sweden or "rule of thumb" in the UK.

Languagemonitor.com

Just love that you try to defend other people telling me what to do, think and say. But I cannot tell anyone else what to do, think or say because I am a white man. Sounds discriminatory.

 

[One Brow]

Here is a list of terms that have been attacked.

Pet Owner
Peanut Butter Sandwich
Columbus Day
Prayer
Holding Down the Fort
Terrorist
Christmas

Those are just the ones here in the U.S.. I didn't mention the ones being hit in other countries like "his" and "hers" in Sweden or "rule of thumb" in the UK.

Languagemonitor.com

Just love that you try to defend other people telling me what to do, think and say. But I cannot tell anyone else what to do, think or say because I am a white man. Sounds discriminatory.

Which of these terms have you been criticized for using, and by whom?

Pet Owner -- PETA? Seriously?
Peanut Butter Sandwich -- ??
Columbus Day -- I know of criticism of having the holiday at all, but not about the name for the holiday
Prayer -- ??
Holding Down the Fort -- In some contexts, I can see where this would be offensive. You can't?
Terrorist -- Yeah, no one *ever* says "terrorist".
Christmas -- Ditto.

If I were trying to caricature your argument, I doubt I could up with a sillier list.

Neither "rule or thumb" nor "Sweden" appeared on the front page of the website you offered.

Just love that you try to defend other people telling me what to do, think and say. But I cannot tell anyone else what to do, think or say because I am a white man. Sounds discriminatory.

I'm still waiting for an example of someone telling you what or say that you actually think I would agree with, that is not hurtful at the same time.

Of course, as a white man, you expect that you should b able to day anything you want, other people's feelings be damned, and not get called out on it. I'm used to that.

 

[moevillini]

I think that sometimes calling attention to the subtle "biases" in a person's language is counterproductive as it can make that person feel very self-conscious and resentful that they can't make a simple statement without others reacting to it in a way that had nothing to do with the speaker's intent when making the statement

yes, it may make that person think twice before they say something that you might find offensive - - or it can make them just keep their mouth shut and decide they don't want to talk to you at all. My personal choice ( and yes, this is a choice) would be to say "happy holidays" and take my chances that you aren't overly offended that I didn't say "Merry Christmas" - - although, as it gets to be within a day or two of Christmas, I just might say "merry christmas" - again, with the hope that you won't be overly offended.

by the way, when is Festivus this year?

 

[Stoked]

Which of these terms have you been criticized for using, and by whom?

Pet Owner -- PETA? Seriously?
Peanut Butter Sandwich -- ??
Columbus Day -- I know of criticism of having the holiday at all, but not about the name for the holiday
Prayer -- ??
Holding Down the Fort -- In some contexts, I can see where this would be offensive. You can't?
Terrorist -- Yeah, no one *ever* says "terrorist".
Christmas -- Ditto.

If I were trying to caricature your argument, I doubt I could up with a sillier list.

Neither "rule or thumb" nor "Sweden" appeared on the front page of the website you offered.



I'm still waiting for an example of someone telling you what or say that you actually think I would agree with, that is not hurtful at the same time.

Of course, as a white man, you expect that you should b able to day anything you want, other people's feelings be damned, and not get called out on it. I'm used to that.

Gave you a list. If you choose to ignore it that is on you.

I know you are used to calling people things and not getting called out on it. The whole board knows that.

Furthermore, as I am a white male and the source of the worlds ills, according to you in your numerous posts, why should you care what I think?

I'm done watching you try and pass some deep seated guilt you have onto everyone else. If you feel bad and that you have work to do then great. Go do so but stop passing that on to others.

Good day.

 

[Stoked]

I think that sometimes calling attention to the subtle "biases" in a person's language is counterproductive as it can make that person feel very self-conscious and resentful that they can't make a simple statement without others reacting to it in a way that had nothing to do with the speaker's intent when making the statement

yes, it may make that person think twice before they say something that you might find offensive - - or it can make them just keep their mouth shut and decide they don't want to talk to you at all. My personal choice ( and yes, this is a choice) would be to say "happy holidays" and take my chances that you aren't overly offended that I didn't say "Merry Christmas" - - although, as it gets to be within a day or two of Christmas, I just might say "merry christmas" - again, with the hope that you won't be overly offended.

by the way, when is Festivus this year?

I say Merry Christmas as that is what I am celebrating. If someone told me Happy Kwanza or Happy Ramaddan (spelling?) I would be just fine with that. It is a sign from that person that they wish good things for me. I would not be offended at all.

 

[One Brow]

Gave you a list. If you choose to ignore it that is on you.

I'm not choosing to ignore it, I'm asking you for details.

I know you are used to calling people things and not getting called out on it. The whole board knows that.

I call statements made by people things. I don't call people things, because all people say things that deserve to be called things, including me. So, I don't get called out for what I don't do.

Furthermore, as I am a white male and the source of the worlds ills, according to you in your numerous posts, why should you care what I think?

1) I haven't made that statement
2) Change is easier when you have privilege

I'm done watching you try and pass some deep seated guilt you have onto everyone else.

I'm sure this rationalization makes you more comfortable.

If you feel bad and that you have work to do then great. Go do so but stop passing that on to others.

Why would I feel bad about having work to do? Having work to do is the human condition.

 

[One Brow]

I say Merry Christmas as that is what I am celebrating.

So, who's tried to stop you?

 

[moevillini]

Dear One Brow - I hope you think of me as a friend (of sorts at least) but sometimes you really do make a caricature of yourself. The two posts above are the latest examples.


Moe


I guess it's productive work!

 

[♪alt13]

I grew up in Iowa and St. Louis. I became a fan watching the Jazz on TV in the 1990s.

Considering all the people on here who talk about using their guns to kill intruders in the various threads, I find it amusing that you think other parts of the country show more fear. Most people in most places are afraid.

This is what I am talking about.(different perspective) I am not afraid of my neighbors or they're guns. I am not afraid of someone breaking into my house, but if someone did(and they did not leave after being warned) I would shoot them in the face with my gun.

PS I have had someone break into my home at night. I did not have to shoot them because they turned tail and ran.

 

[♪alt13]

I say Merry Christmas as that is what I am celebrating. If someone told me Happy Kwanza or Happy Ramaddan (spelling?) I would be just fine with that. It is a sign from that person that they wish good things for me. I would not be offended at all.

I say bah humbug, cause I'm an ornery jerk.

 

[One Brow]

Dear One Brow - I hope you think of me as a friend (of sorts at least) but sometimes you really do make a caricature of yourself. The two posts above are the latest examples.

Your probably right, and I probably just can't see it. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

How can you have a serious conversation with someone whose claiming that people are trying to to them from saying "Christmas" or "terrorist"? I should try ot keep in mind that I;m easy to troll.

 

[One Brow]

This is what I am talking about.(different perspective) I am not afraid of my neighbors or they're guns. I am not afraid of someone breaking into my house, but if someone did(and they did not leave after being warned) I would shoot them in the face with my gun.

PS I have had someone break into my home at night. I did not have to shoot them because they turned tail and ran.

I rarely lock the door at night, but if I'm not the last person upstairs, someone else probably will.

I was mugged when I was 20, and still have a small scar on my head from the crowbar. I never felt the need for a gun, before or after.