Alec has taken over as our alpha dog.

[fishonjazz]

During Burks infamous "best game" without Hayward, most his scoring was off assists (5), fast breaks (2), and out of bounds plays (2). The only time your alpha created his own shot was against Randy Foye and Denver's porus defense without JaVale (How horrible was J.J. Hickson that game?).

Corbin obviously made it a point of emphasis to attack Foye (i.e. final play) and deserves most the credit for Burks' big numbers.

You are right frank
Burks weakness is that he cant create his own shot and his strength is playing off ball and getting passes from teammates.

Good call

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Kind of like that play towards the end of the game where Burks tried to Euro-step against Blatche and Blatche ripped him? Burks wasn't able to recognize that Blatche had adjusted his defense and play back on the PNR, keeping himself between Burks and the basket. Burks has Marvin wide open in the corner but doesn't recognize, gets stripped, leads directly to a big JJ 3-pointer (because Burks didnt hustle back on defense) which shifts momentum to the Nets. Was honestly the defining moment of the game.

If you have it DVR'd it happens at 4:24

Which is where I want to see the most improvement from Burks. If he can't improve that awareness to know when to kick it, he will never be more than a good scorer, in my eyes.

 

[fishonjazz]

Kind of like that play towards the end of the game where Burks tried to Euro-step against Blatche and Blatche ripped him? Burks wasn't able to recognize that Blatche had adjusted his defense and play back on the PNR, keeping himself between Burks and the basket. Burks has Marvin wide open in the corner but doesn't recognize, gets stripped, leads directly to a big JJ 3-pointer (because Burks didnt hustle back on defense) which shifts momentum to the Nets. Was honestly the defining moment of the game.

If you have it DVR'd it happens at 4:24

Yep. He made a bad play just like all the great ones do.

He made more good plays at the end of the game however

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yep. He made a bad play just like all the great ones do.

He made more good plays at the end of the game however

It was a bad play that he often makes though. He gets tunnel vision and it is what holds him back from being as good as Hayward.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But you clearly said "has looked great every single time in that situation", that statement was clearly false.

Detective Cyrone on the case.

 

[fishonjazz]

Kind of like that play towards the end of the game where Burks tried to Euro-step against Blatche and Blatche ripped him? Burks wasn't able to recognize that Blatche had adjusted his defense and play back on the PNR, keeping himself between Burks and the basket. Burks has Marvin wide open in the corner but doesn't recognize, gets stripped, leads directly to a big JJ 3-pointer (because Burks didnt hustle back on defense) which shifts momentum to the Nets. Was honestly the defining moment of the game.

If you have it DVR'd it happens at 4:24

So I went into the play by play again.
starting from the play right before burks turnover.
Burks scores 9 points in the last 5 minutes, has 2 rebounds, an assist, and a turnover.

Pretty good imo

 

[Crawlnstall]

I know everyone has different opinions on everything related to the Jazz, but can't we agree that Burks has shown the most growth this season of the core guys? I've always been a big Burks fan and am excited for how he has been playing.
Is he an all star? No way. His defense isn't great and his game isn't as diverse as we'd like. I would love for him to get a 3 point shot and be a better passer. But remember this dude is 22, is getting more minutes than ever and was picked up 12th in the draft. Its easy to pick a bust at #12.
Lets not hate on him, and just enjoy his improvement and what he can bring to the team

 

[fishonjazz]

Which is where I want to see the most improvement from Burks. If he can't improve that awareness to know when to kick it, he will never be more than a good scorer, in my eyes.

1:51 left in the game burks drive and kicks to marvin for a bucket. Burks with the assist.

 

[fishonjazz]

But you clearly said "has looked great every single time in that situation", that statement was clearly false.

Detective Cyrone on the case.

I never said he looked good on every play in that situation.

I just said he has looked good every time he has been put in the situation of closing out games. I stand by that since I think that 9pts, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 turnover in the last five minutes would be considered looking good.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

1:51 left in the game burks drive and kicks to marvin for a bucket. Burks with the assist.

FishBro, not saying Alec can't pass. I think you are just looking at the stats page so you can't see what actually happened?

That play Burks drove baseline and was forced out of bounds, he was actually fall out of bounds and found Marvin under the rim. It was a good pass for sure. We all know Alec is capable of making good passes. The thing I'm talking about is when Burks is going to the rim and instead forces up a difficult attempt. The play you cited Burks didn't have a look at the rim, so he was forced to pass.

Can he make the pass when both options are available and choose the best option?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Another thing i have noticed is that burks flourishes when given the ball at the end of games and told to attack.

I love it when jazz bring the ball up court and then look for burks and force the ball into his hands and then clear out and let him go to work.
Thats when he seems to be at his best.

Small sample size (only 3 games so far) but he has looked great every time he has been in that situation.

Just for cyrone: maybe when he gets in that situation against a great defense he will struggle.
I cant wait to find out!

You were clearly talking about play-to-play him looking his best when they clear it out for Burks.

 

[fishonjazz]

You were clearly talking about play-to-play him looking his best when they clear it out for Burks.

Wrong.
I know what i meant and what i meant was that when he is put in iso situations at the end of games, he had looked good.
Show me the words "on every PLAY" from my post.

I never said he has played perfectly in those situations.
I said good

I stand by that

 

[fishonjazz]

You were clearly talking about play-to-play him looking his best when they clear it out for Burks.

Im gonna have to see a quote from me that says burks has looked good on "every play" or "play-to-play".
Get on it detective

 

[fishonjazz]

Another thing i have noticed is that burks flourishes when given the ball at the end of games and told to attack.

I love it when jazz bring the ball up court and then look for burks and force the ball into his hands and then clear out and let him go to work.
Thats when he seems to be at his best.

Small sample size (only 3 games so far) but he has looked great every TIME he has been in that situation.

Just for cyrone: maybe when he gets in that situation against a great defense he will struggle.
I cant wait to find out!

What I was meaning by the word time (rather than play) is the last few minutes at the end of close games.
Just to clear that up for ya.

Also why did you attack this post?.. I was done argueing with you and just wanted to point out that burks has been good recently when given the ball at the end of close games. Is that such a horrible thing to say?

 

[Doublea]

I know everyone has different opinions on everything related to the Jazz, but can't we agree that Burks has shown the most growth this season of the core guys? I've always been a big Burks fan and am excited for how he has been playing.
Is he an all star? No way. His defense isn't great and his game isn't as diverse as we'd like. I would love for him to get a 3 point shot and be a better passer. But remember this dude is 22, is getting more minutes than ever and was picked up 12th in the draft. Its easy to pick a bust at #12.
Lets not hate on him, and just enjoy his improvement and what he can bring to the team

I agree.
Burks: most improvement, mostly because he was horrid at the beginning of the season.
Hayward: hasn't taken the #1 option great, teams focus on him, still a great player in a role not exactly suitable for him.
Favors: He's been the most consistent out of the guys. I'd like to see him have a little more fire though.
Kanter: Up and down for him this season. Most people thought he'd be the leading scorer, kind of like the opposite of Burks, he's well below what we thought he was going to be. He's not a bust, and still can improve. He'll be fine, maybe just not what we hoped for.
Burke: Seen some good things from him. Rookie pg, needs to work the crap out and get a lot stronger. If he does that he'll be in good shape for next season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Im gonna have to see a quote from me that says burks has looked good on "every play" or "play-to-play".
Get on it detective

You were talking about every situation in which the Jazz give Burks the ball and ask him to make a play towards th end of the game, no?


"I love it when jazz bring the ball up court and then look for burks and force the ball into his hands and then clear out and let him go to work.
Thats when he seems to be at his best."

You are saying you love it when the Jazz give Burks the ball and tell him to go to work, assuming this means when you love it when Burks has control w/ an iso and has the leeway to call for a simple pick, but have the other 3 guys stand on the 3 point line.

"Small sample size (only 3 games so far) but he has looked great every time he has been in that situation."

Ok, so you say he has looked in the past 3 games EVERY TIME he has been in that situation, so you are talking about a play-to-play basis in which the situation described above happens.

But then Burks has a massive fail turnover and fails to run back on defense and gives up a huge momentum shift because of a bonehead play followed by a lack of hustle on the other end, so what you are saying is false.

 

[fishonjazz]

Im the only one who knows what i meant.
Im curious to why you want to be such a dick about it though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Im the only one who knows what i meant.
Im curious to why you want to be such a dick about it though.

dude, BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNET IS UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[fishonjazz]

dude, BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNET IS UNACCEPTABLE.

Eh
I admit im wrong quite often.

I really wanted hassan whiteside when we took gordon hayward.

I thought chris singleton would be good.

I though kanter would lead the jazz in scoring this year.

Im wrong alot. Its no big deal but i really was talking about burks being good in late game situations lately.

Maybe i worded wrong. For that i apologize

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Eh
I admit im wrong quite often.

I really wanted hassan whiteside when we took gordon hayward.

I thought chris singleton would be good.

I though kanter would lead the jazz in scoring this year.

Im wrong alot. Its no big deal but i really was talking about burks being good in late game situations lately.

Maybe i worded wrong. For that i apologize

Just f'ing wit u dawg. Just think your Burks homerism is funny.