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Aaron Gordon Diary for slam(Jazz Shout-out)

Lattimer said:
Have you heard anything about Vonleh planning to workout in Utah?


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Nope. I know both Lindsey and Perrin saw him in a workout. IINM, that was the one in New York right after the combine. Perrin then talked about getting him in for a private workout "in the next three weeks." But no news since then that I am aware of. Maybe they wanted to wait in case they found a coach. It was good timing for Gordon's visit.
 
Core4 said:
Nope. I know both Lindsey and Perrin saw him in a workout. IINM, that was the one in New York right after the combine. Perrin then talked about getting him in for a private workout "in the next three weeks." But no news since then that I am aware of. Maybe they wanted to wait in case they found a coach. It was good timing for Gordon's visit.
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Ahh ok fhanks


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Core4 said:
I have zero concerns over Vonleh...ZERO. He already killed it in a few post-draft workouts, enough to enter the talk as someone who could move into the top-4. So a week later he's "out of shape?" Nope. Don't buy it.

I still have Vonleh rated #4 on my draft board. But you know what? I'm going to say the Jazz should draft Gordon. Why? Because the ONE chance the Jazz have of EVER contending is to have all-star level talent at all 5 positions. So I have to hope, beyond what my mind and eyes have told me, that Kanter wasn't a bust at #3 and will have a breakout season with a new coach who believes in his abilities. ECTYA made a good case for Kanter having had all his confidence destroyed by Corbin.

Vonleh IS going to be a helluva good stretch-4. He'll be an all-star. But Gordon COULD be more valuable to the Jazz. He brings attitude. And with the passive players Utah has, that is an important factor. He can also fill minutes at both forward positions. The versatility of being able to go big with Hayward at SG and Gordon/Kanter/Favors in the front court or small with Burks at SG and Hayward/Gordon/Favors is very important. And I don't discount the fact Gordon has Utah ties, WANTED to work out for the Jazz and was impressed to see the new coach in the stands. I have no idea if Deron was always the Jazz guy at #3, but Williams came to Utah while CP3 refused to. Character and attitude does matter. So I give the edge to Gordon over Vonleh - and Exum - in that respect.

In sum, I still have Vonleh ranked higher. But the difference isn't that much...and it's overcome by other important factors. This may also be an unpopular opinion, but if Gordon and Exum were available at #5, my choice would also be Gordon.
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I watched lot of college ball this year. What makes you think Vonleh going be an all star?lol
 
ncoloradojazz said:
I watched lot of college ball this year. What makes you think Vonleh going be an all star?lol
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Yes, I've heard of the college where you go for experiments.
https://www.cappex.com/colleges/The-Colorado-Center-for-Medical-Laboratory-Science

Vonleh is going to be an all-star because of his 2-way skills. He can score in the post or from outside. And on defense, he has length, shot-blocking ability and is a very good rebounder. Is he going to be an all-star in 2015? No. He's raw. So is Wiggins. So is Embiid. Parker? Meh. He can't defend a cardboard cutout.
 
I'd be curious to know which of the PFs (Vonleh, Randle and Gordon) shoot best from mid-range. I'm guessing it might actually be Randle.
 
I 've wanted Gordon for a long time now. What makes me want him on the Jazz is his versatility and his attitude. The kid has the personality to be a leader and a star. Perrin already said he has seen great improvement on his shooting stroke. My biggest concern is that Vonleh is a passive kind of player. The Jazz need a guy who loves basketball and wants to win badly. Now I have no idea if Vonleh has a silent fire in his belly but you can't teach attitude. You either have it or not. I am not talking about selfish bad attitude but the kind of personality where you want to be great.

I get a feeling Gordon wants to be great. My worry is that Gordon might improve or get noticed by another team like Orlando. I am afraid that Exum might drop and the Jazz will take him over Gordon. I wouldn't do it. I would take Gordon over any other player but Embiid and Wiggins. I just think he has the talent to be a top 3 guy in this draft if he works his shooting out.
 
I don't know if I believe he is out of shape. They said the same thing about Parker and he looked better than he did in college.
 
nateboz said:
Aaron Gordon is a little AK and a Little Blake Griffin. Not a bad thing. Yet he's shorter than both of them. No matter what he's still 6'7".
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/
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He's almost 6 9'. Do you play ball barefoot?

And that size is great for SF. This isn't Derrick Williams where you want to believe he can play the 3 so he's not a tweener. Locke said it well.

Someone asked about the comp:

@KurtFlinders: @Lockedonsports What makes you so high on Gordon, yet weren't w/ Derrick Williams? They must be different players, but seem similar to me.

Locke response. And locke is wrong plenty but this is on IMO.

@Lockedonsports: @KurtFlinders Gordon plays hard and has elite athletic skills. Williams didnt and doesn't




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I wouldn't draft Gordon. I think his shot is broke. It looks like it has a stutter (Like Charles Barkleys golf swing) and he's 6'7" w/out shoes 220 pounds. I could be wrong but his size is just like Kirilenko. He can't be a stretch 4 cause he cant shoot. And he's not going to be a good small forward cause he can't shoot. He sounds like a really good guy off the bench for energy and defense.
 
nateboz said:
I wouldn't draft Gordon. I think his shot is broke. It looks like it has a stutter (Like Charles Barkleys golf swing) and he's 6'7" w/out shoes 220 pounds. I could be wrong but his size is just like Kirilenko. He can't be a stretch 4 cause he cant shoot. And he's not going to be a good small forward cause he can't shoot. He sounds like a really good guy off the bench for energy and defense.
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LOL

And he is not 6'7". He is 6.7.5" barefoot and 6'8.75" w/ shoes. W/ an 8'9" standing reach and 6'11.75" wingspan. Those are very, very good measurements for a 3. You add his athleticism, and wow! For reference, Vonleh is only 6'8" w/o shoes

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/

Also, A. Gordon's shot is not broken, and his ft's are already improving according to scouts.

If you don't believe someone could be good at jumpers, but bad at FT's, look at Trey Burke, where the reverse happened. Trey was great at the charity stripe, but only shot 38 FG% last year. One is a set shot, and the other uses one's legs. Some players have different forms for each, such is true for Aaron and Trey. Reports are that Aaron's FT's are improving, and the form is more consistent among all of his shots now.
 
Gordon is more Igoudala/Marion than AK. Gordon isn't going to over-commit to blocks or steals, and isn't as flashy when it comes to his passes.
 
Sexual Favors said:
LOL

And he is not 6'7". He is 6.7.5" barefoot and 6'8.75" w/ shoes. W/ an 8'9" standing reach and 6'11.75" wingspan. Those are very, very good measurements for a 3. You add his athleticism, and wow! For reference, Vonleh is only 6'8" w/o shoes

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/

Also, A. Gordon's shot is not broken, and his ft's are already improving according to scouts.

If you don't believe someone could be good at jumpers, but bad at FT's, look at Trey Burke, where the reverse happened. Trey was great at the charity stripe, but only shot 38 FG% last year. One is a set shot, and the other uses one's legs. Some players have different forms for each, such is true for Aaron and Trey. Reports are that Aaron's FT's are improving, and the form is more consistent among all of his shots now.
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You're trying way too hard. I implore everyone to start being honest and accept that the truth on both lies somewhere in between. Making up ******** to prove your point hurts your future credibility.
 
Sexual Favors said:
LOL

And he is not 6'7". He is 6.7.5" barefoot and 6'8.75" w/ shoes. W/ an 8'9" standing reach and 6'11.75" wingspan. Those are very, very good measurements for a 3. You add his athleticism, and wow! For reference, Vonleh is only 6'8" w/o shoes

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aaron-Gordon-6458/

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Noah-Vonleh-6471/

Also, A. Gordon's shot is not broken, and his ft's are already improving according to scouts.

If you don't believe someone could be good at jumpers, but bad at FT's, look at Trey Burke, where the reverse happened. Trey was great at the charity stripe, but only shot 38 FG% last year. One is a set shot, and the other uses one's legs. Some players have different forms for each, such is true for Aaron and Trey. Reports are that Aaron's FT's are improving, and the form is more consistent among all of his shots now.
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WOW. I guess 35% from the college 3 point line and 42% from the free throw line mean nothing. Those numbers make a guy like Ostertag look like Ray Allen.
I don't buy that his shooting coaches magically fixed his shot, he's a guy that has been playing basketball his whole life. If he can't shoot by now it's simple. He isn't a reliable shooter. I don't hate Aaron Gordon I just wouldn't draft him @5.
 
nateboz said:
I wouldn't draft Gordon. I think his shot is broke. It looks like it has a stutter (Like Charles Barkleys golf swing) and he's 6'7" w/out shoes 220 pounds. I could be wrong but his size is just like Kirilenko. He can't be a stretch 4 cause he cant shoot. And he's not going to be a good small forward cause he can't shoot. He sounds like a really good guy off the bench for energy and defense.
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I just have to laugh at the idea that an 18 year old has a shot that is "broke". Really, the kid is 18. And Kirilenko wasn't close to 220 when he started playing in the NBA at age 20, once again, A Gordon is 18.
 
Bodhi said:
You're trying way too hard. I implore everyone to start being honest and accept that the truth on both lies somewhere in between. Making up ******** to prove your point hurts your future credibility.
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What have I made up? Please enlighten me.
 
nateboz said:
WOW. I guess 35% from the college 3 point line and 42% from the free throw line mean nothing. Those numbers make a guy like Ostertag look like Ray Allen.
I don't buy that his shooting coaches magically fixed his shot, he's a guy that has been playing basketball his whole life. If he can't shoot by now it's simple. He isn't a reliable shooter. I don't hate Aaron Gordon I just wouldn't draft him @5.
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35% from 3 is actually a respectable number, dude. Jabari shot 35 % from 3...

FT's were a real issue, but it is possible to struggle with them if shooting them w/ a different form.

He is 18. I reject your notion of him being a finished product.
 
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