Jazz have "zeroed in" on Jabari Parker

[Revolution 9]

Exum, Vonleh, and Gordon all have star potential. All have better defensive potential, and athleticism.

Wake the **** up. We aren't drafting 8. We are at 5. Parker doesn't = automatic chip. You can't overspend for an unproven commodity.

We need a star. What if Parker busts? What if Burks becomes.a star? What if that GSW pick becomes a star? Etc.

Exum and Vonleh are huge long shots to be "stars". Jabari and Wiggins have a much better chance.

Again if you are comfortable being average, and hoping for a miracle then stay put.

but don't bitch and moan the next 4 years when we dont do anything special.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Exum and Vonleh are huge long shots to be "stars". Jabari and Wiggins have a much better chance.

Again if you are comfortable being average, and hoping for a miracle then stay put.

but don't bitch and moan the next 4 years when we dont do anything special.

I agree that Parker is in the first tier, while Exum and Vonleh are in the second tier. But you are acting like Parker is a polished, title winning, NBA franchise player. He isn't.

He still has to:

Learn how to pass.
Take better shots.
Get better defensively
Play with more pace.
Get better conditioning.

There are still questions about his position. People say he is Melo, but Melo was quicker than him. If he is a 4, he is undersized. If he is a 3, he has great weight, but he's a little slow by NBA standards.

He has potential to be that great player. He isn't that great player.

Spending everything on him could just as easily condemn us to mediocrity. If we are talking about spending all of that listed in my previous post, it should at least be for Wiggins, who at least projects as a two-way player.

 

[addictionary]

@ addictionary


If Jabari is like an agile dolphin swimming in the ocean, then who are the "sharks" in this draft?

Sharks are scared of dolphins doe
[video=youtube_share;GmLYGzlPLj0]https://youtu.be/GmLYGzlPLj0

the real question is who is the blue whale?

 

[Sexual Favors]

the real question is who is the blue whale?

Jabari could be the dolphin, or the whale . All depends on how motivatwd he is to diet and condition.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Only thing that really concerns me about Parker is that he seems to be a pretty poor passer. Can he make his teammates better?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Sanders was the best rim protector in the league his 3rd season and was a better defender than Favors. If you can iron him out mentally, is he not good enough to justify the trade?

Sanders is a proponent of legalizing marijuana. There's zero chance of Greg and Gail approving a trade.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

How the **** is that a win win? It looks to me like we'd be getting screwed. Just like w/ Burke, we'd be giving up a lot of assets for an overrated player. Jabari is not Lebron, Pierce or Melo. He is Jabari ****ing Parker. A 19 yr old kid who won state a couple of years in HS, and averaged 19 pts his one and only college season. Un-****ing-proven! He doesn't even have the upside that some of the others in this draft have. Exum has higher upside than him, and we're supposed to get excited because people are talking giving up Exum, Burks, and really good picks we bled for, just to nab him? If this is really the plan, DL is clearly not the man I thought he was. His value is being inflated by his religion, and not his skill set.

College and the pros two different ball games. Also. This man right here sir has plenty of room to develop.

 

[Sexual Favors]

College and the pros two different ball games. Also. This man right here sir has plenty of room to develop.

Very true.

Let me first reiterate that I WANT Jabari. Just not at the specific package we were discussing (which was a package you throw at an NBA all star, not a prospect).

Back to the college vs pros. This is something I always argue. The college game is broken, from the 35 second shot clock, to the shorter 3 pt line that clogs up the spacing. But, the players that are most affected by this, are the super athletic, because they have no room to operate, and not the slower/ methodical players with adequate athleticism, which is where Parker falls.

Of course Parker can develop. I expect him to, and expect him to be great. But selling everything you own on potential is dangerous. Burks can develop, #5 can develop, GSW unprotected 17 can develop, #23 can develop, etc. That #5 has a legitimate chance to develop into a player that's better than Parker down the line. Parker's stock really lies in his NBA readiness, but what do we need him ready for? Even with him, we're still at least three more seasons away from being top four in our conference.

I also feel like I should clarify the "his value is being inflated by his religion" comment. I wasn't saying he isn't an exceptionally gifted ball player, or that he is undeserving of being a top 3 pick. All I meant is that some fans who are LDS, my family members included, are willing to trade far too much for him because of that. Every kid in this draft is still a kid. It is fools gold to trade your franchise for them. #5 and a core player, and maybe #23, or another package of equal value, should be enough. MIL probably doesn't take that, but it doesn't mean we send them all of our assets and let them rape us. We are at #5, not #8. #5 still has star potential, and Jabari could very well bust. I don't think he will bust, but the point is, you don't pay superstar premium for a kid who isn't a superstar yet.

 

[infection]

I also feel like I should clarify the "his value is being inflated by his religion" comment. I wasn't saying he isn't an exceptionally gifted ball player, or that he is undeserving of being a top 3 pick. All I meant is that some fans who are LDS, my family members included, are willing to trade far too much for him because of that. Every kid in this draft is still a kid. It is fools gold to trade your franchise for them. #5 and a core player, and maybe #23, or another package of equal value, should be enough. MIL probably doesn't take that, but it doesn't mean we send them all of our assets and let them rape us. We are at #5, not #8. #5 still has star potential, and Jabari could very well bust. I don't think he will bust, but the point is, you don't pay superstar premium for a kid who isn't a superstar yet.

A couple years ago I really wanted Lillard and would have given up a lot for him in the draft. Do you think him going to school in Utah biased me?

 

[Sexual Favors]

A couple years ago I really wanted Lillard and would have given up a lot for him in the draft. Do you think him going to school in Utah biased me?

No. It educated you. As residents of Utah, we were privy to Lillard, moreso than other fanbases were. I wanted Lillard as well, but we didn't get the GSW pick, and he went a spot ahead of that anyways. I don't know what you were proposing to give up, and could never answer honestly wether or not I thought it too much, since hindsight is always 20/20.

 

[infection]

No. It educated you. As residents of Utah, we were privy to Lillard, moreso than other fanbases were. I wanted Lillard as well, but we didn't get the GSW pick, and he went a spot ahead of that anyways. I don't know what you were proposing to give up, and could never answer honestly wether or not I thought it too much, since hindsight is always 20/20.

People here probably were more interested in Lillard because they were familiar with him, as you mentioned, because he was from Utah. People are familiar with Jabari because he's LDS. Some may value him more because of that, but I don't think it's quite fair to believe everyone's under this huge LDS bias just because you're not as high on the guy.

 

[Sexual Favors]

People here probably were more interested in Lillard because they were familiar with him, as you mentioned, because he was from Utah. People are familiar with Jabari because he's LDS. Some may value him more because of that, but I don't think it's quite fair to believe everyone's under this huge LDS bias just because you're not as high on the guy.

First. I am high on the guy. Did you not see what I was willing to give up for him? I just think there comes a point with any prospect where you have to say "too much," because they are still prospects.

Secondly, Lillard played here, Jabari didn't. Some of us went to see Lillard play regularly, and thus had the ability to be higher on him than other fanbases, considering Weber State games didn't get a lot of national coverage. Jabari played for Duke, and he was a highly touted one and done. His games were easily accessible. You saying "People are familiar with Jabari because he's LDS. Some may value him more because of that" is agreeing with me, so I don't really know what your point is.

I watched Jimmer-mania, and now I am watching Jabari-mania here. Jabari is at least going to be a good player. I just think some people are willing to sell too much for him because of that religious familiarity. He is a great prospect, but he is still just a prospect, and you don't pay superstar premium for prospects, especially when you are in a position to draft another good prospect. You just don't. You try to make appealing deals to move up, but if the other team isn't interested, or is trying to gouge you, you don't get desperate and give them all your assets.