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NBA's proposed lottery changes bad for Jazz

mellow said:
Increasing the number of spots that are 'randomly selected' only gives the NBA script writers more opportunities to tinker. This rule probably has very little to do with the league bing upset with Philly, and more about the PTB upset that they couldn't manipulate a way to get Exum to the Lakers or some other player-team hook up they wanted to make.

While they are at it, they ought to have a computer 'randomly select' the playoff match ups too. I bet the results would be shocking!
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Oh mellow
 
green said:
I don't like the weighted system at all. I'd rather have the current system. The weighted system takes too long to get a top pick. You would have to tank/rebuild for 5 years before your get that pick. At least right now, teams can tank 1 yr, then get back to the playoffs.
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How about building your team through trades, clever signing of free agents, and drafting well? The Pacers team that challenged the Heat just 2 seasons ago didn't had like 1 lottery pick in Paul George IIRC.
 
I'm all for the changes. I HATE HATE HATE tanking, and think its unfair to the fans, especially season ticket holders. I'm not saying teams shouldn't tank however. With the current system I think if you are a bottom team then it absolutely is a necessity to tank. I just want the system to change so teams don't have to tank.
 
green said:
I don't like the weighted system at all. I'd rather have the current system. The weighted system takes too long to get a top pick. You would have to tank/rebuild for 5 years before your get that pick. At least right now, teams can tank 1 yr, then get back to the playoffs.
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Wow. This is exactly what jazz fans should try to stop. Lets take okc as an example. Lets say KD gets hurt in training camp so OKC just decides to tank the whole season. They keep out Ibaka because of his leg injury. However because Westbrook is a star they barely miss the playoffs. I dont want a system where OKC can get the number 1 pick because of one sorta down year due to one star being injured. The weighted system insures that the truly bad teams get the best picks. It also prevents one year tanking scenarios.
 
oldtimer said:
Wow. This is exactly what jazz fans should try to stop. Lets take okc as an example. Lets say KD gets hurt in training camp so OKC just decides to tank the whole season. They keep out Ibaka because of his leg injury. However because Westbrook is a star they barely miss the playoffs. I dont want a system where OKC can get the number 1 pick because of one sorta down year due to one star being injured. The weighted system insures that the truly bad teams get the best picks. It also prevents one year tanking scenarios.
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But how is a team 'bad' though? Geographically what makes MIL worse than IND? With clever FA signings and drafting (Hibbert & George were not top #5 picks), they were able to build their team the right way.


I would rather have an environment where all 30 teams try their hardest to stay competitive, and whoever they get in the draft is just an added bonus at the end of the year - not something they have to rely on.
 
mellow said:
Increasing the number of spots that are 'randomly selected' only gives the NBA script writers more opportunities to tinker. This rule probably has very little to do with the league bing upset with Philly, and more about the PTB upset that they couldn't manipulate a way to get Exum to the Lakers or some other player-team hook up they wanted to make.

While they are at it, they ought to have a computer 'randomly select' the playoff match ups too. I bet the results would be shocking!
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Man I love Kool-aide.
 
I think the change would help us significantly. We will likely be a bottom 5-8 team this year. Under the current system we'd have a small chance to move to number 1. Under the proposed system we'd have a much better chance at moving into the top spots. We could slide 2 or 3 spots but that wouldn't hurt that bad.

The next two years we could be stuck in the middle and if we have a shot at moving from 12-14 into the top six that'd be a great help. Also, the GS pick. They likely won't be a bottom 3 or 4 team in 2017, but with an small injury or two could very well be in the high lottery. That pick could then move up.

I think there are better ways than this to fix the lottery, but this method wouldn't hurt us much.
 
Here is my logic on this:

Jazz clearly better

Orlando lost Aaron Afflalo and signed no significant free agents to makeup those 18ppg, those points cannot be made up by rookies and second year players, as we found out when Al and Paul left.
Philly - All systems go on the tank
Milwaukee - We were 10 games better than them and not even Jabari will improve them that much. They did not enter last year tanking, they just found out they royally suck and decided it was the best thing to do.
Lakers - A 40 year old Kobe might make up for losing Gasol. Jeremy Lin could get them a few more wins but expect we're better.
Minny - Losing Love is going to cost them around 15 games in the win column. Wiggins won't help them for a couple years, Minny could be the worst team in the league.

Borderline

Boston - With a healthy and motivated Rondo and somewhat NBA ready Smart yeah could potentially be better
Sacramento - They were supposed to start getting good for the last 4 years and never do, but have the talent to be better
Detroit - They had no draft pick this year and have that albatross Smith contract
 
Jazz4ever said:
Here is my logic on this:

Jazz clearly better

Orlando lost Aaron Afflalo and signed no significant free agents to makeup those 18ppg, those points cannot be made up by rookies and second year players, as we found out when Al and Paul left. oladipo is tearing it up playing with the big boys in vegas. by all accounts he has made a significant jump. Also Elfrid Payton looked good in summer league. Orlando and the Jazz had almost the same record as we did last year. Toss up.
Philly - All systems go on the tank. Full on intentional tank. Taking two players this year that may not play at all. Their only goal is to tank and get the number one pick next year. Add the number one next year, Embid, Saric and Noel and their rebuild is done. They start competing in two years for the playoffs. They have real hope of getting good in two years.
Milwaukee - We were 10 games better than them and not even Jabari will improve them that much. They did not enter last year tanking, they just found out they royally suck and decided it was the best thing to do. Its not just Jabari, the Greek Freak looked amazing at summer league. I wish we would have drafted him and not Burke hindsight being 20/20. They are on there way to huge improvement next year. Moreover they play in the EAST.
Lakers - A 40 year old Kobe might make up for losing Gasol. Jeremy Lin could get them a few more wins but expect we're better.The league wants Kobe to win. Kobe will shot 30 foul shots a night and they will make the playoffs next year. Jordon rules suck.
Minny - Losing Love is going to cost them around 15 games in the win column. Wiggins won't help them for a couple years, Minny could be the worst team in the league. Yes they lose Love but they gain Wiggins. Wiggins is the NBA star of the future. Minny will be good in the future. I wish the Jazz had a star.
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The Jazz could be bottom five next year. Its possible. It would be horrible to finish with the worst record and end up with the seventh pick because six teams moved ahead of you in the draft. I know that is the worst scenario, but I worry about the NBA screwing my team.
 
Julius Randle, Stauskas, McDermott, McLemore, Burke, MCW, Greek freak, Drummond, Klay, Burks, Kwahi, Monroe, Hayward, George

All available the last couple years at 7 or lower. We need development.
 
green said:
Julius Randle, Stauskas, McDermott, McLemore, Burke, MCW, Greek freak, Drummond, Klay, Burks, Kwahi, Monroe, Hayward, George

All available the last couple years at 7 or lower. We need development.
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