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NBA's proposed lottery changes bad for Jazz

What I'm saying is you're saying it like the Celtics are in deep trouble - when was the last time the Celtics had an issue getting talent (if this tanking thing didn't work)?

If you still think it doesn't cause some snowballing trouble.

Look at OKC. No big market.

When they tanked all these years and you have a multi-year average to determine the odds.
Let's take a 4 year average:

06/07 Sonics 31-51
07/08 Sonics 20-62
08/09 Thunder 23-59
09/10 Thunder 50-32

avg: 31

With that number you're something like a nr 8 or 9 pick, even though that team was one of the best in the league. So it encourages hard tanking because you get deep lottery talent in the period when you're already on an upswing towards contention.

Now let's imagine the Heat clear the house and rebuild because w/o LeBron none wants to play there:

2015 draft:

11/12: 46-20 -> converts to a 57-25 on a 82 game schedule
12/13: 66-16
13/14: 54-28
14/15: 0-82(imaginary)

avg: 44.25 wins. That's a solid #16 pick for a D-League roster.
Now I go 1 step further:

12/13: 66-16
13/14: 54-28
14/15: 0-82
15/16: 0-82

avg: 30 Happy 7 seed.

See the problem of that? You basically forfeit games 2 consecutive seasons for nothing. That's not healthy rebuilding because the guys below 8 are usually no freshman and you create a weird age curve because you take guys in the 20-22 age range in the first years of rebuilding. Then in the 3rd year when the first guy is already 24 worst case then you add someone who's 19. Let's say the 24 year old guy is Kenneth Faried who is only bouncy and won't age into his 30s. Now you have to dump that guy even though he's productive because he doesn't curve well with the team's climax.

I'M sorry but I can't visualize how horrible that proposal was of whoever did it in here more colorful.
 
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tl/dr, what's your point in 1-2 sentences please.

averages over multiple years to determine draft lottery odds are broken and could be exploited in so many ways and at the same time would prevent teams from rebuilding through the draft after a dynasty ends.
 
averages over multiple years to determine draft lottery odds are broken and could be exploited in so many ways and at the same time would prevent teams from rebuilding through the draft after a dynasty ends.

Where in the proposed changes does it say they'll take the average over multiple years?
 
Where in the proposed changes does it say they'll take the average over multiple years?

Are you even reading before you write? Someone in this thread proposed the average over multiple years. and then we started discussing that model.

WTF
 
Sorry, why are we even discussing that if it's never ever gonna become reality? What's the point exactly?

Why does this message board exist? Most of the things are never becoming reality as well. What's the point exactly?
 
I think Philly is prepared to do this... they are already on year two, and I'll bet they don't look to be players in free agency next year.

I bet if they change the lottery philly might try to change thier strategy....... which is kind of the point
 
If you want to get rid of tanking, you have to have a hard cap and non-guaranteed salaries (no player will tank if he knows he will get cut the next summer).
That would be awesome..... doubt the players union thinks so though.
If you want to give every team the most equal chance of success, the slotted system is the best.

The slotted system would give every team equal chance at the pick #...... that does not mean equal chances at success though
 
The slotted system would give every team equal chance at the pick #...... that does not mean equal chances at success though

This is true. You would still have to get lucky the year you had the #1 pick. You have to hope Portland passes on Durrant. You have to hope Duncan stays for his SR year and doesn't leave after his JR year. You have to get lucky in that LeBron is eligible to leave after HS and wants to leave.

Look at the last five years, if we bumped the drafts back one year:

2014 (picked with 2013's players):

Cleveland - Bennett (ha ha)
Milwaukee - Oladipo
76ers - Porter
Magic - Zeller
Jazz - Alex Len

2013 (2012's players)

Cleveland - Anthony Davis
Orlando - MKG
Washington - Beal
Charlotte - Waiters
Phoenix - Lillard (bumped him up)
Utah (#9) - Andre Drummond

2012 (2011's players)
NO - Kyrie
Charlotte - Derrick Williams
Wash - Kanter
Cleveland - Thompson
Sac - Jonas Valanoonegivesadamn

2011 (2010's players)
Cleveland - Wall
Minnesota - Turner
Utah - Favors
Cleveland - Wesley Johnson
Toronto - Cousins
Utah (#12) - Xavier Henry

2010 (2009 Players)
Washington - Blake Griffin
76ers - Hasheem Thabeet
Utah (NJ pick) - James Harden
Minn - Tyreke Evans
Sac - Rubio
Utah (#9) - DeMar DeRozan

That's nuts. Instead of our starting five being

Burke
Burks
Hayward
Kanter
Favors

We would be:

PG - ???
SG - DeRozan
SF - Harden
PF - Favors/Drummond
C - Len

One year. Cleveland would be:

John Wall, Anthony Davis and LeBron.

If SA won the lottery the year before or after, they would have drafted Allen Iverson or Michael Olowokandi/Bibby/LaFrentz/Jamison. If Duncan leaves early, he ends up in Philly or GS.

At the end of the day, winning a title is a lot of luck.
 
Sorry, why are we even discussing that if it's never ever gonna become reality? What's the point exactly?

You're the damn KING of discussing things that aren't going to become reality. This proposal is far more likely than Julius Randle spending a significant amount of his minutes playing small forward.

Idiot.
 
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