Bold Prediction: Alec Burks WILL have a huge breakout year.

[BabyPeterzz]

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[Hotdog]

Personally, I always straddled the very middle of the Burks debate. To those who think that Burks was ready to start from day one, they are wrong. To those who think that Burks didn't improve under Ty Corbin's coaching, they are completely wrong.

To those who think that Burks playing extremely well this year will be justification that he should have been starting from day one-- I suppose they could be correct, but I find it incredibly unlikely. Different coaches assemble different systems, which suit the talents of their players differently.

Burks, a ball-dominating wing who shoots among the lowest threes out of any PG/SG in the NBA, being thrown together with other starters in a slow-paced offensive system would be an unimpressive display of his play, and it probably had potential to even regress his development. I thought Alec's minutes were managed completely well throughout his career in the NBA thus far. His defense has never been top-notch, and he has learned how to improve the play of others on-top of developing his own scoring instincts.

Kanter's coaching has been a bit less of a success, IMO. It's clear that Quin has connected with Ty better (not a surprise for a coach who's main talent is reportedly 'player-development'), and several aspects of his game had regressed under Ty. It's fair to credit some of that to coaching.


So full-circle: Zulu bumping past posts of people calling for Alec's head is totally not a huge deal, and I'm in awe with people having their feathers ruffled over it. If Schröder has an unreal season/career this year, I'll laugh every time orangello bumps a post of mine saying how much better Burke will be. If people bumped my Singleton posts from 2011, I'd laugh as well. We are all prone to making judgements (particularly during emotional points of a season), and basketball is a rather unpredictable sport. So, standing on a pedestal, calling people 'tools' for them bumping old posts of yours is an overreaction, IMO. I'd feel the same if Burks collapsed this year, and you started bumping all of foj/Zulu's posts where they compared Wade to Burks, and Zulu called you a tool, asserting that his comparisons were a consequence of "a frustrating Jazz season where we just wanted to try anything".

Wrong!

Burks should have been playing from day one because the alternatives were garbage players. It made zero sense to trot out a bunch of washed up vets in hopes of winning a couple more games, but zero hope of actually doing anything, like making a real playoff run. It would have made more sense to get Burks some more experience on the court. Anyone with half a brain and any kind if vision for the future knew this.

The proof is is in the pudding. The player we still have is Burks, not the crappy players that played in front of him. We should have invested more time in him.

Just face it Burks doubters, you look stupid now for hating on him. Face the music now. Pay up.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Wrong!

Burks should have been playing from day one because the alternatives were garbage players. It made zero sense to trot out a bunch of washed up vets in hopes of winning a couple more games, but zero hope of actually doing anything, like making a real playoff run. It would have made more sense to get Burks some more experience on the court. Anyone with half a brain and any kind if vision for the future knew this.

The proof is is in the pudding. The player we still have is Burks, not the crappy players that played in front of him. We should have invested more time in him.

Just face is Burks doubters, you look stupid now for hating on him. Face the music now. Pay up.

An offensive system running through a 1st or 2nd year Alec Burks < an offensive system running through Al Jefferson. The proof was "in the pudding": we had the leagues 4th best offense in one of those years.

Playing Al with Foye > Al with 1st or 2nd year Burks. Burks was not a better defender back then, and his offense didn't suit our offensive hub. Plain and simple. Makes zero sense putting a young player in a role that he won't succeed in. Some of the DNPs were excessive, but a lot of times his superiors deserved the playing time.

In the first year without Al, Burks had among the most minutes on the team.

 

[Hotdog]

An offensive system running through a 1st or 2nd year Alec Burks < an offensive system running through Al Jefferson. The proof bence.e pudding": we had the leagues 4th best offense in one of those years.

Playing Al with Foye > Al with 1st or 2nd year Burks. Burks was not a better defender back then, and his offense didn't suit our offensive hub. Plain and simple. Makes zero sense putting a young player in a role that he won't succeed in. Some of the DNPs were excessive, but a lot of times his superiors deserved the playing time

In the first year without Al, Burks had among the most minutes on the team.

The whole thing was wrong and stupidly built. Al Jefferson shouldn't have been our offensive focus. He should have been traded shortly after he arrived, or never traded for at all..

So it made zero sense to stall the growth of Burks in favor of banging our head against the wall continuing to try out the Al Jefferson experiment.

And I'm of the opinion Burks was very good right from the start. He didn't just start being able to play. If he would have been given a real opportunity to settle in and get a lot of play time, he would have found some rhythm. Al Burks had to play with a different set of rules than Al Jefferson. Burks messes up on D one time and he is benched for the rest of the game. Al continually messes up on D and he is never benched. That is a bad message to send to your players and can only serve to screw with the psyche of a player like Burks. Burks is a much better shooter than he is made out to be. Burks had to play with constant pressure from the threat of being benched if he misses a shot. In short, he was over scrutinized and was handled wrong. Not a great way to develop one of your best talents.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The whole thing was wrong and stupidly built. Al Jefferson shouldn't have been our offensive focus. He should have been traded shortly after he arrived, or never traded for at all..

So it made zero sense to stall the growth of Burks in favor of banging our head against the wall continuing to try out the Al Jefferson experiment.

And that's your opinion-- but as long as we had Al Jefferson, Burks had no business being in the starting lineup. It's the way the cookie crumbles

And I'm of the opinion Burks was very good right from the start. He didn't just start being able to play. If he would have been given a real opportunity to settle in and get a lot of play time, he would have found some rhythm. Al Burks had to play with a different set of rules than Al Jefferson. Burks messes up on D one time and he is benched for the rest of the game. Al continually messes up on D and he is never benched. That is a bad message to send to your players and can only serve to screw with the psyche of a player like Burks. Burks is a much better shooter than he is made out to be. Burks had to play with constant pressure from the threat of being benched if he misses a shot. In short, he was over scrutinized and was handled wrong. Not a great way to develop one of your best talents.

Burks has clearly improved from his first year (we can agree to disagree here-- at worst we can say he hasn't regressed like Kanter) so clearly all of Ty's tactics didn't completely **** him up.

We can agree to disagree tho.

 

[fishonjazz]

To those who think that Burks was ready to start from day one, they are wrong.

I always thought the team in the present and the future would have been better off playing Burks over raja, cj, and josh howard. From day one. Especially since raja and howard were not even nba caliber players anymore.
I had no problem with corbin playing foye over Burks since foye was a good player and fit with that starting lineup..... still don't think Burks should have received ANY dnp's that year and should have played more.

Last year's staying lineup was trey (a mostly outside shooter who was limited offensively due to age), gordon (mostly an outside shooter who is better off not being the focus of the offense), jefferson (mostly an outside shooter who is better off the ball) Marvin (mostly an outside shooter who is better off the ball), and favors (poor offensively)
Seems to me that lineup really needed a guy like Burks and probably would have helped the offense and the rest of the starters as a whole.

To those who think that Burks didn't improve under Ty Corbin's coaching, they are completely wrong.

Obviously Burks improved while ty was the coach but not because of ty imo.
He improved because he was playing with and against nba talent in games and practice, he was training and working on his game in the off season, he was growing mentally and physically, etc etc.

I think ty slowed his (and others) rate of improvement.

 

[fishonjazz]

And I agree with dalamon that he was always in the middle of the Burks discussion. (Probably appropriate)

 

[Chris-L]

go utes.

 

[Doublea]

How is this a bold prediction?

 

[Chris-L]

How is this a bold prediction?

Alec Burks WILL have a huge breakout year

that better?

 

[spycam1]

Burks from day 1 > Roger Braille, Chucky Jay Miles, whatever other ****-tastic players Corbin played over him that year

2nd year Burks > Foye

3rd year Burks > Richtard Jefferson

As far as Burks vs Foye goes, Dal's insistence that Burks and Al couldn't co-exist is way over exaggerated, and more importantly, isn't even relevant. All that mattered was the future of the Jazz. Burks was a part of that future, Foye was not. End of story. Now, I don't put all the "Foye playing over Burks" blame on Ty, KOC deserves a lot of flack for even signing him in the first place.

tl;dr

All hale Burks, bishes.

 

[spycam1]

Last game our starting back court combined for 42 points.

Remember those times when our starting back court combined for a grand total of 0 points?

#WashedUpVets4Life

 

[spycam1]

 

[spycam1]

 

[Chris-L]

negd

 

[Chris-L]

posd

 

[franklin]

Tbh franklin (and u know I love you) your overreaction in the posts quoted in this thread is the exact same as the anti-Ty/fire-Corbin crowds who incessantly post the same thing, and group mob any signs of people dissenting against their opinions.

Singularly responding to being bated and quoted out of context is the same as group mob? STFU Joebags .. lay off the drama.

Burks from day 1 > Roger Braille

Are you retarded?

 

[franklin]

Here's the rep log, dq's:

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<3 frank.... But I took a hard stand on Burks when he was playing **** and took **** for it, just nice to be vindicated!!


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I get you and don't mind the flack. Thought you'd know.

 

[fishonjazz]

Singularly responding to being bated and quoted out of context is the same as group mob? STFU Joebags .. lay off the drama.






Are you retarded?

^^^^^
Being a dick for no reason.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Burks from day 1 > Roger Braille, Chucky Jay Miles, whatever other ****-tastic players Corbin played over him that year

2nd year Burks > Foye

3rd year Burks > Richtard Jefferson

No one is saying that Burks was worse than those players.

However, I would argue that Al + any of those players would be more effective than Al + Burks in the respective years he was in.

As far as Burks vs Foye goes, Dal's insistence that Burks and Al couldn't co-exist is way over exaggerated,

Tbh, agree to disagree. Think of Ty's offensive systems, the starting personnel, and how Burks would have been utilized as a starter.

and more importantly, isn't even relevant. All that mattered was the future of the Jazz.

Two things:

1) first of all, that might have been all that had mattered to you-- it's impossible to know precisely what the Jazz were thinking at the time
2) It's not black and white. Playing behind Millsap and Favors could have ended up expanding the games of Kanter and Favors. Literally every time they're interviewed about certain skills, or training rooks, they gush about the training that they received from their former teammates. By choosing to not give Burks lots of minutes in his first two years, or disregard starting Favors and Kanter during their first two years-- this did NOT mean that the Jazz chose to ignore the future of their franchise.

Burks was a part of that future, Foye was not. End of story. Now, I don't put all the "Foye playing over Burks" blame on Ty, KOC deserves a lot of flack for even signing him in the first place.

Umm, almost none of the blame should go on Ty. Foye suited Al better. Al was better than Burks particularly in the system set out by Ty.

tl;dr

All hale Burks, bishes.

Pretty sure I have a long-*** thread on Burks love. We just need to come to grips with the fact that he wasn't good enough to be a two-way starter, and he didn't have the particular skill-set to best play off of our two best offensive players. Plain and simple. Why did Hayward get more burn than Burks? Think about it.