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This made me kinda sad today...

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What are the chances Sandmann’s “impressive” statement was written by his father’s lawyer or something? Or does he provide it verbally? I’d click the link but am starting my ridiculous 4,000 word lesson plans for the week.

Christ I can’t wait to retire.
Retire bro. More fishing and ****.
 


This thread provides a far more comprehensive account of the events complete with videos. Let’s please not rush to claiming “both sides” nonsense again like some people did in Charlottesville.
 
Put me on ignore too.

Your posts and takes are as ridiculous and one-sided/blind as any single human being I have ever heard.

no hyperbole.

You recognize that if you don’t want to read my “One Sided” posts, you’re the one that should put me on ignore, right? Me putting you on ignore does nothing about your ability to read my posts.
 


This thread provides a far more comprehensive account of the events complete with videos. Let’s please not rush to claiming “both sides” nonsense again like some people did in Charlottesville.


This bothered me.

“1:17:26 Hebrews speak truth: "Your college degrees was paid off of the blood shed from slavery. Your houses, your mortgages--everything that your parents own--was given to you by the blood shed by our people." White boy yells: “That’s racist, bro!” Um...no. That is truth. 23/“

Um, no, that’s not truth. That’s ****ed up.
 
And as comprehensive as it seems, do we know it is fact?

Also, in one of her posts she seems to acknowledge that the kid’s de-escalation strategy worked.
 


This thread provides a far more comprehensive account of the events complete with videos. Let’s please not rush to claiming “both sides” nonsense again like some people did in Charlottesville.


Charlottesville was a demonstration by actual, self-proclaimed, Nazis. It's hard to draw the conclusion the kid did anything wrong watching the video. Phillips walked to him, and the kid just remained standing where he was, with that smug look on his face.
 
Charlottesville was a demonstration by actual, self-proclaimed, Nazis. It's hard to draw the conclusion the kid did anything wrong watching the video. Phillips walked to him, and the kid just remained standing where he was, with that smug look on his face.
So I want to educate my children as to the perfect thing to do in this case and looking for advice please. Should I tell them to;
- walk it back, take the high road by giving ground... every time in life when someone steps to you?
- stand there with a “smug” look on your face while simply standing your ground?
- stand there with a worried look to show humility?
- give the instigator a much-needed hug?
- sit on the ground “Indian-style” to show respect for the indigenous peoples and hope others don’t take it the “wrong” way?
 
Btw, my favorite people are American Indians and Mexicans... so there’s nothing racist about my comments. I’m only poking fun at starchy white folk that are completely lifeless robots spewing what the puppet masters are dictating as their to-be “thought” processes.

And the funny part is these same people almost always fancy themselves as intellectual elitists.. lol.
 
So I want to educate my children as to the perfect thing to do in this case and looking for advice please. Should I tell them to;
- walk it back, take the high road by giving ground... every time in life when someone steps to you?
- stand there with a “smug” look on your face while simply standing your ground?
- stand there with a worried look to show humility?
- give the instigator a much-needed hug?
- sit on the ground “Indian-style” to show respect for the indigenous peoples and hope others don’t take it the “wrong” way?

It’s all situational. There is no answer that will always be the best response. Some times walk away, sometimes stabs your ground and sometimes step up and forward vocally. And physically if needed.
 
It’s all situational. There is no answer that will always be the best response. Some times walk away, sometimes stabs your ground and sometimes step up and forward vocally. And physically if needed.
It was actually rather funny in the twitter thread Thriller linked.





Tl;dr "yeah the Black Hebrews do these aggressive and offensive things.... it's just what they do" but then goes on to really emphasize that people should walk away. I won't bother pointing anything out about this because it should be self-evident.
 
It’s all situational. There is no answer that will always be the best response. Some times walk away, sometimes stabs your ground and sometimes step up and forward vocally. And physically if needed.
Agree. Yet here we are analyzing whether or not a young man handled this particular situation the way we would have with the luxury of hindsight and video replay. It’s laughable.
 
Agree. Yet here we are analyzing whether or not a young man handled this particular situation the way we would have with the luxury of hindsight and video replay. It’s laughable.
Aren't you aware that the world's evils turn on this axis?
 
So I want to educate my children as to the perfect thing to do in this case and looking for advice please. Should I tell them to;
- walk it back, take the high road by giving ground... every time in life when someone steps to you?
- stand there with a “smug” look on your face while simply standing your ground?
- stand there with a worried look to show humility?
- give the instigator a much-needed hug?
- sit on the ground “Indian-style” to show respect for the indigenous peoples and hope others don’t take it the “wrong” way?

I don't know what advice to give to your children so they can ignore. But in this case, Chad (don't know the kid's name, so I'll call him Chad, Incel style), could've either walked away or stood his ground the way he did. Either is fine.
 
What's actually funny, is that most "leftists" on the forum admitted they were mistaken in their judgement as soon as they saw the full vid. I look forward to the next time NPCD argues a point to death regardless of the evidence. Which happens on weekly basis.
 
It was actually rather funny in the twitter thread Thriller linked.





Tl;dr "yeah the Black Hebrews do these aggressive and offensive things.... it's just what they do" but then goes on to really emphasize that people should walk away. I won't bother pointing anything out about this because it should be self-evident.


No, you shouldn’t walk away from racist, bigoted and homophonic slurs. And dismissing it as “that’s just what they do” is pathetic. I’m fine with them holding their ground
 
What's actually funny, is that most "leftists" on the forum admitted they were mistaken in their judgement as soon as they saw the full vid. I look forward to the next time NPCD argues a point to death regardless of the evidence. Which happens on weekly basis.
Of the three "leftists" I see posting, two have admitted they were mistaken. One doesn't really care and is more invested in the narrative. But, to Hack's credit, he actually was on the first page assuming this was true and not condoning it to begin with before changing realizing it was much ado about nothing.

I dont condone this. They dont represent my views. It is ugly what they are doing.
 
First, I feel I made a mistake in both judgement and interpretation where this event was concerned. Here is CNN's updated account of what happened. It sounds like an accurate account, now that I've seen a lot more then just the under 4 minute clip that started the whole wave of outrage:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html

Second, I've either listened to or read about 5 interviews of Nathan Phillips. In the interview in the immediate aftermath, I found his raw emotion to be sincere. I don't think he was lying at all. He claimed to be scared. Was his fear justified based on the reactions of the students to his presence? I'm not in his skin, but I thought he gave his honest impression. As he walked forward, the kids parted a bit, until Phillips encountered Nick Sandmann, who simply stood his ground smiling.

Here is the complete statement by Nick Sandmann. It's worth a read. I find it impressive. I find it credible, believable, sincere. And that causes some self reflection on my part. Sandman states his smile was really just to disarm Phillips, to show him he had no intention of escalating a potential ugly encounter. Yet in the short clip that launched the outrage, I saw that smile as smug arrogance. So maybe it's me, seeing what I want to see. What I saw as smug arrogance could instead be seen as a calm, disarming smile:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/covington-kentucky-student-statement/index.html

So what did I see? A bunch of MAGA hatters harassing a Native American elder. Looking at the kids again, in that short clip, some might have actually been getting into the chanting. Some might have been caught up by the chanting. Not so hard. I've been to many powwows, I enjoy the chanting and dancing. Some of the kids may have been laughing at and mocking Nathan Phillips. That could very well be, and likely was, the case. But they're kids, and I've already made mistakes. No harm was done. I believe Phillips emotions were genuine, but these kids were exposed to insults and taunts from the black Israelites. Maybe the kids should have walked away then and there. But they didn't, they responded to the black Israelites, who, btw, were verbally assaulting the indigenous group, as well as the students.

The lesson for me. I saw what I wanted to see. Or, maybe to cut myself more slack, I saw what fulfilled my expectations. I expected a group of MAGA hatters to harass minorities. So that's what I saw.

I don't know to what degree the media is at fault here. They went with that short clip. But, they did take a deeper look, and revised their analysis. They acted to correct the record.

I think, in part, the incident exposed what hyper partisanship can do. I don't want to make more mistakes in judgement and interpretation, as I feel I did here. I've got to be more careful. I will never renounce my opposition to everything Trump stands for, but I've got to let what happened here be a lesson for me.

Edit: some might find this Washington Post article illuminating:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...78f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

Thank you Red. This sort of contrition is awesome to hear. It shows your willingness to be fair.

However, I still disagree with how the media is handling things. You linked the updated versions of CNN and the Washington Post. No where in there do they tell the full story or show a clip of Nathan Phillips walking up to the kid. I find that to be disingenuous and problematic. They did nothing to defuse the anger built up in the left. All you need to do is read the comments on the Washington Post and people still want blood.

I do not find Nathan Phillips to be genuine. His interview does match up with what the video shows. His exact word were "this young man put himself in front of me". That is a complete lie, and its an important lie because it changes how people view things. Niether CNN, Washington Post, or any other leftist media corrects this. He also claimed he was scared? How does that make any sense? He was the one who put himself in that situation. He is the one who was looking for the stare down. He is the one who got right up into the kids face banging a drum. That is not a scared man. That is an instigator looking for trouble. Secondly, not one of these kids did anything to make him feel scared. They didnt say anything hateful. They didnt touch him. There werent chants of build that wall. They smiled and danced to his song. His whole CNN interview was complete BS.

The only thing these kids did wrong was wear MAGA hats. That is it. Plain and simple. This just shows that this event was microscopic example of a bigger picture of what is going on in this country. If you wear a MAGA hat, support Trump, are a white Christian, a male, etc.. It has become ok by the left to hate and attack these people regardless of what they have done or said. Thats the truth. You said it yourself. You automatically assumed they were racist and up to no good because you saw the hats. This flies in the face of what the left pretends to stand for. This is being prejudice. Its literally the exact definition. If this doesnt get people to pause and self examine I dont know what will. Its disturbing to say the least.
 
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